Jetstar Reopening Perth Base

[Hollywood1]

It was announced today that Jetstar will be reopening its Perth base with new routes to Singapore, Phuket and Bangkok.

https://newsroom.jetstar.com/jetstar...tional-routes/

How senior will this base be, for Captains and FOs? Any chance for new joiners to bid for an FO slot in PER?

[Ollie Onion]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

It’s funny that the proponents of cadet schemes always retreat to the ‘everyone else does it and they don’t have safety issues’ argument when what they are beautifully describing is a normalisation of deviance. I’m not saying cadets are dangerous any more than I’m saying they’re not but it doesn’t make sense to defend a scheme that exists solely to undercut pilot T&C’s and to fill a supply problem of the airlines creation. If the career was so great they would have no problem filling spots.

It’s good to see the PER base reopening, it’s just a shame that QF chose to run such an amateurishly short term game, sure they can claim it’s ’just business’ but the damage they did to families cannot be ignored. They really need to stop pretending to give a fvck about the mental health of their employees because it’s clear they don’t.

exactly, that is what drives me mad, Qantas speaks about mental health etc but we’re quite happen to destroy lives during Covid and in a very blunt way. I got a ‘sign the variation to this contract by 0900 or be made redundant’ and that was after asking for 24 hours to look it over, not to mention the threat of closing our airline every time we dare to ask for an improvement in conditions and of course the multiple families effected by unnecessary base closures etc. then you get the nice, ‘don’t forget to look after your mental health’ emails…… GASLIGHTING at its finest.

[Ollie Onion]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

It’s funny that the proponents of cadet schemes always retreat to the ‘everyone else does it and they don’t have safety issues’ argument when what they are beautifully describing is a normalisation of deviance. I’m not saying cadets are dangerous any more than I’m saying they’re not but it doesn’t make sense to defend a scheme that exists solely to undercut pilot T&C’s and to fill a supply problem of the airlines creation. If the career was so great they would have no problem filling spots.

It’s good to see the PER base reopening, it’s just a shame that QF chose to run such an amateurishly short term game, sure they can claim it’s ’just business’ but the damage they did to families cannot be ignored. They really need to stop pretending to give a fvck about the mental health of their employees because it’s clear they don’t.

exactly, that is what drives me mad, Qantas speaks about mental health etc but we’re quite happen to destroy lives during Covid and in a very blunt way. I got a ‘sign the variation to this contract by 0900 or be made redundant’ and that was after asking for 24 hours to look it over, not to mention the threat of closing our airline every time we dare to ask for an improvement in conditions and of course the multiple families effected by unnecessary base closures etc. then you get the nice, ‘don’t forget to look after your mental health’ emails…… GASLIGHTING at its finest.

[aussieflyboy]

Didn’t they close a Perth Base 2 years ago? Nice way to treat staff and their families. Grubs.

[ebt]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

Didn’t they close a Perth Base 2 years ago? Nice way to treat staff and their families. Grubs.

I get where you're coming from, but it's just business, mate. Funny thing is nobody told Perth Airport about it until the press release was issued, so I hope the WA government is getting some value out of whatever they threw at JQ to secure the base.

[Capn Bloggs]

The princesses are back!

[Lookleft]

It was always going to reopen. Where do most of the Jetstar AFAP reps commute from?

[Ratherbefishintoday]

Originally Posted by Hollywood1

It was announced today that Jetstar will be reopening its Perth base with new routes to Singapore, Phuket and Bangkok.

https://newsroom.jetstar.com/jetstar...tional-routes/

How senior will this base be, for Captains and FOs? Any chance for new joiners to bid for an FO slot in PER?

My guess would be, new hire FO's will get the opportunity in PER.

[aussieflyboy]

Originally Posted by ebt

I get where you're coming from, but it's just business, mate. Funny thing is nobody told Perth Airport about it until the press release was issued, so I hope the WA government is getting some value out of whatever they threw at JQ to secure the base.

Respect can and should still be shown to your staff and their families. This sort of behaviour is why no-one cares anymore.

Treat your staff like a dollar value and they’ll treat you like one back. It might only have a minimal effect on your bonus but a disgruntled workforce has an enormous effect on the business.

[das Uber Soldat]

I called this outcome the instant afap suddenly shifted gears and started pushing that **** agreement hard​​​​​​. Why else?

[cLeArIcE]

Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat

I called this outcome the instant afap suddenly shifted gears and started pushing that **** agreement hard​​​​​​. Why else?

I was thinking about that same thing yesterday, reading the company email about the base opening while I had the pleasure of being crammed in QF economy middle seat. Don't you just love this place.

[StudentInDebt]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

It was always going to reopen. Where do most of the Jetstar AFAP reps commute from?

Most don’t commute from Perth.

[HOOROO]

Isn’t there a right of return for those who were in the base when it shut down?
The mind boggles at how Jetstar plans to find “at least 60 pilots” to be based in Perth when they can’t even fill all the current pilot positions being advertised.

Direct Entry commands perhaps?

[Ollie Onion]

Considering the talk around Head Office then DEC’s are imminent into the operation. Amazing really considering they have shown little interest in trying to keep the pilots they already have.

[Lookleft]

Most don’t commute from Perth.

​​​​​​​Well the one's that don't must be the strong silent types then because most of the noise was from the WA crowd.

[cLeArIcE]

There are plenty of eligible FOs that could upgrade they Just don't because:
1. They don't want to live in Sydney or
2. They don't want the **** lifestyle, **** rosters and lack of days off on the airbus and much prefer the lifestyle the 787 offers for somewhat similar money.
This ******* company just doesn't get it. You want people to upgrade? You want them to work here instead of other airlines? Pay them properly, treat them with respect, stop using the FRMS as a target and don't make them live where they don't want to live. Its really not that hard.
But, yeah keep sending your stupid discretionary fuel emails idiots.

[ManillaChillaDilla]

Originally Posted by cLeArIcE

There are plenty of eligible FOs that could upgrade they Just don't because:
1. They don't want to live in Sydney or
2. They don't want the **** lifestyle, **** rosters and lack of days off on the airbus and much prefer the lifestyle the 787 offers for somewhat similar money.
This ******* company just doesn't get it. You want people to upgrade? You want them to work here instead of other airlines? Pay them properly, treat them with respect, stop using the FRMS as a target and don't make them live where they don't want to live. Its really not that hard.
But, yeah keep sending your stupid discretionary fuel emails idiots.

Well said. Its not that hard.
It does become hard however, when you lose the support of your workforce. Direct entry commands are a clear example of internal issues. Particularly this far into a companies existance.

MCD

[Lookleft]

They must also be getting concerned with the experience levels of those upgrading to command with effectively only 3 years experience. Sydney commands are going to F/Os who started in 2018 but if you exclude the two years of Covid then its not a long time. There are a lot of very smart F/O's upgrading but with TRA's, runway closures, TIBA, pressure on pilots over CO2 emissions and game changing aircraft being flown to their limits, then the safety buffers in the system are eroding. While the commercial tail wags the operational dog then these problems are only going to get worse.

[Jbrownie]

Europe and SEA have been upgrading 200hr cadets to the left seat after 3-4years for a while now.

[morno]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

They must also be getting concerned with the experience levels of those upgrading to command with effectively only 3 years experience. Sydney commands are going to F/Os who started in 2018 but if you exclude the two years of Covid then its not a long time. There are a lot of very smart F/O's upgrading but with TRA's, runway closures, TIBA, pressure on pilots over CO2 emissions and game changing aircraft being flown to their limits, then the safety buffers in the system are eroding. While the commercial tail wags the operational dog then these problems are only going to get worse.

Calm down Neil Armstrong, it’s not that hard. Many other countries in the world have captains with 2,000 or so hours, flying in countries with much harder problems (ice, snow, low vis at every port) than we have here in Australia.

[stevieboy330]

Half of the Network Pilots will be dropping them an email. An easier way to get a half decent EBA.

[aussieflyboy]

Why do management keep saying “we are OPENING a Perth base…” and not “we are RE-OPENING”. I suppose they don’t want to admit their mistakes. Apparently over 75 Perth based Qantas Group Pilots (not just Jetstar) were offered relocation packages (or unemployment) during covid.