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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 12:51
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New Hire Rules QF

This has been leaked by a QF SO who signed on days ago.

In accepting employment I confirm that immediately upon commencing employment I am bidding for a vacancy as a first officer B737 in Sydney and that the company may rely on this document as formally recording this bid then awarding me such a vacancy. I also acknowledge and accept that the company in offering me employment as a Second Officer Under Training (SOT) has done so on the basis that I will submit a bid for the B737 and that should I seek to withdrawal this bid it will be open to the company to withdraw the offer of employment, or should I have already commenced employment, terminate my employment.


Join QF, donít be an SO. Weíve already got plenty who donít want to move on. Paul, ex union rep is one I can think of. Still an SO after 16 or so years.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 13:04
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So what’s the issue. Qantas need FO’s on the 737.
Is that such a bad thing after flogging a 210 around Arnhem Land?
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 13:08
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Why would they need to do this? They've just offered direct entry FO in the past.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 13:11
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They can't Wiz. You have to be hired as a SO. Lots in the past have said they would go to the 737 to get an earlier start date, then didn't. So now they will sack you, if you agree and then change your mind.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 18:04
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Seems fair after the recent dramas
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 21:06
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Is SYD because he chose that base or because thats where QF needs people? Id assume otherwise.

Not a bad thing going straight to a window seat which is rare. Air NZ did a similar thing in the past hiring into the RHS of A320 which is a good thing if thats what you want but werenít as militant about the tís and cís




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This has been leaked by a QF SO who signed on days ago.

In accepting employment I confirm that immediately upon commencing employment I am bidding for a vacancy as a first officer B737 in Sydney and that the company may rely on this document as formally recording this bid then awarding me such a vacancy. I also acknowledge and accept that the company in offering me employment as a Second Officer Under Training (SOT) has done so on the basis that I will submit a bid for the B737 and that should I seek to withdrawal this bid it will be open to the company to withdraw the offer of employment, or should I have already commenced employment, terminate my employment.


Join QF, donít be an SO. Weíve already got plenty who donít want to move on. Paul, ex union rep is one I can think of. Still an SO after 16 or so years.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 21:13
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Placing a condition on employment - I wonder whether that is legal under the Fair Work Act?

Despite the apologies I suspect the policies of Dixon and Joyce may be very ingrained in the current executive.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 21:34
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Iím not sure why this is necessarily a bad thing. I was given the option of FO or 78 SO and chose the FO option.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 21:41
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Imagine that getting your dream QF job and having to fly a plane, the horrors that we have to put up with in this industry.

Sarcasm aside if a company has to many pilots in a certain role then what are they to do? What does the current contract say? Make people leave the sanctity of Sandwich Officer to become an FO? Stop employment and ground aircraft?

As I’ve said many times I have no idea about the QF ts & cs but this does sound a little ridiculous!
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 01:11
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Well, theyíve already lowered new hire SO pay to ďencourageĒ crew to go to shorthaul so Iím guessing that hasnít had the desired effect.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 01:35
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Originally Posted by ruprecht
Well, theyíve already lowered new hire SO pay to ďencourageĒ crew to go to shorthaul so Iím guessing that hasnít had the desired effect.
Precisely.

Itís remarkable that in spite of attempting to make the LH SO contract shit, itís still viewed by many as better than being a SH FO.

That should give you a pretty good insight into the mindset of management of this place.

Fix the SH contract, and they wonít have these problems.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 02:42
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SH contract needs wholesale change. The vast majority of new SOís have Ďbeen there done thatí too. Both factors contribute to the lack of interest.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 02:48
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Iíd go to shorthaul if I didnít have to:

a. fly the 737, or
b. fly short distances, or
c. operate out of the domestic airportÖ

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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 06:15
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The requirement to recruit into the SO position is to protect the current employees from missing out on opportunities they may want. If there are insufficient bids ( which is the situation now) the current pilots are not being disadvantaged and those positions can be assigned to new hires. It's not there to ensure ensure new hires get an opportunity to be an SO.
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Alot of it depends where you come from. E.g Qlink etc you'd be happy to get the 737. Coming from JQ no thanks. I've spent enough time doing shitty short haul flying. Why would I be in a rush to do it in a much worse aircraft working the same terrible rosters.
I'll wait for a LH position thanks..



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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 06:33
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
Alot of it depends where you come from. E.g Qlink etc you'd be happy to get the 737. Coming from JQ no thanks. I've spent enough time doing shitty short haul flying. Why would I be in a rush to do it in a much worse aircraft working the same terrible rosters.
I'll wait for a LH position thanks..



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And fair enough. That's your choice. The loss of seniority is the only potential downside, but even that is not assured, just don't say yes when they ask.
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Now if only the Pilot Group could get our Senior Leaders signature on a document requiring them to honour their word
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 08:51
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I started a similar thread in Rumours and News about senior F/Os not wanting to upgrade to junior Captain. No one wants to be a Captain.

Now it's spreading down the ranks, S/O on the Dugong doing 2 or 3 long haul trips a month with 1/3 of the time spent in the bunk, good layover destinations with 5* hotels vs bus driving around Australia doing 4 sector days and actually having to work in return for about the same money.

Something is wrong with either the people being employed or the T&Cs on offer, possibly both.

I heard EK are looking for experienced A320 Captains to go onto the A380 and upcoming A350 as F/Os with Command after about a year on type. Might interest a few JQ pilots.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 09:28
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"This has been leaked by a QF SO who signed on days ago".

Did you ask his/her permission to post the information on a public forum? I hope they keep the career offer.
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Originally Posted by krismiler
I started a similar thread in Rumours and News about senior F/Os not wanting to upgrade to junior Captain. No one wants to be a Captain. [l
Those are US airlines (United and American) who operate on a strict seniority based rostering system. It makes some sense to not upgrade until you can hold a decent seniority to get trips you want. Most pilots in Australia arenít rostered that way.

Now it's spreading down the ranks, S/O on the Dugong doing 2 or 3 long haul trips a month with 1/3 of the time spent in the bunk, good layover destinations with 5* hotels vs bus driving around Australia doing 4 sector days and actually having to work in return for about the same money.
The big difference now is money. In previous days the 380 SO would pull in more than the SH F/O. Now a SH F/O flying a decent number of hours will double a new hire S/Oís pay under the new S/O conditions. Yes, youíll be working more but now the money earned will reflect that.



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