MAS 122
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Very seriously though, The MH122 cabin crew deserve bravery awards for their courage facing the threat, hopefully their Government (maybe even ours) will recognise them.
NSW Police have jurisdiction and control for this type of declared emergency, AFP would provide counter terrorism response.
Sydney Airport Corporation facilitates the emergency response to the responding authorities.
...and for what it's worth Menzies provided the stairs, MH is their contract.
I think everyone knows and should understand that in this type of emergency the response has to be measured and there are well practiced procedures in place.
Unfortunately, Joe and Josephine Average hate having their day disrupted, they just want to board and get to their next destination, no thought that there are a couple of hundred people locked in that metal tube, thinking that this could possibly be the last few hours on the planet.
The final outcome is all the proof that our systems and safeguards are working!
Sydney Airport Corporation facilitates the emergency response to the responding authorities.
...and for what it's worth Menzies provided the stairs, MH is their contract.
I think everyone knows and should understand that in this type of emergency the response has to be measured and there are well practiced procedures in place.
Unfortunately, Joe and Josephine Average hate having their day disrupted, they just want to board and get to their next destination, no thought that there are a couple of hundred people locked in that metal tube, thinking that this could possibly be the last few hours on the planet.
The final outcome is all the proof that our systems and safeguards are working!
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In the MEL incident, they were onboard within 90 minutes. Between the MEL incident and this one, what differences were there? There was a bomb threat made on both.
NSW Police have jurisdiction and control for this type of declared emergency, AFP would provide counter terrorism response.
Sydney Airport Corporation facilitates the emergency response to the responding authorities.
...and for what it's worth Menzies provided the stairs, MH is their contract.
I think everyone knows and should understand that in this type of emergency the response has to be measured and there are well practiced procedures in place.
Unfortunately, Joe and Josephine Average hate having their day disrupted, they just want to board and get to their next destination, no thought that there are a couple of hundred people locked in that metal tube, thinking that this could possibly be the last few hours on the planet.
The final outcome is all the proof that our systems and safeguards are working!
Sydney Airport Corporation facilitates the emergency response to the responding authorities.
...and for what it's worth Menzies provided the stairs, MH is their contract.
I think everyone knows and should understand that in this type of emergency the response has to be measured and there are well practiced procedures in place.
Unfortunately, Joe and Josephine Average hate having their day disrupted, they just want to board and get to their next destination, no thought that there are a couple of hundred people locked in that metal tube, thinking that this could possibly be the last few hours on the planet.
The final outcome is all the proof that our systems and safeguards are working!
I’m not saying he’s correct…
Neville_Nobody - Quite possibly they did..... and don't call me shirley
Figure it this way though, if the responders are not 100% sure of a bomb threat situation and they assault the scene, then there is a probability that there are going to be multiple casualties, including amongst the responders.
They are elite and this is not how they are trained to respond, fight or resolve.
The end result is proof of how well we can handle these situations, there are some gung ho jurisdictions in other countries where there well may have been fatalities.
They are elite and this is not how they are trained to respond, fight or resolve.
The end result is proof of how well we can handle these situations, there are some gung ho jurisdictions in other countries where there well may have been fatalities.
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Only the named authorities can confirm or deny how this event played out.
SYD Emergency procedures define that NSW Police control the scene of declared full emergencies at SYD, that's the hierarchy of control.
SYD Emergency procedures define that NSW Police control the scene of declared full emergencies at SYD, that's the hierarchy of control.
ummmm mate mate mate……..I’m aware of the MH A330 sitting on the south end of 16R on taxiway A6……yes it was the reason 16R was closed, I know.
they did use 25 for 1 UPS 747-400 departure to SHA and an A380 landed on 25 that I watched.
so 25 was available to use.
my comment and mind boggling remains over their stupidity in only using 1 runway when 2 could have been utilized easily and NOT come anywhere near the exclusion zone around the MH 330. Indeed a lot of aircraft taxied close to MH A330 along L after landing…!!!!
So genius, what’s the reason they couldn’t use 16L for landings and 25 for dep at the same time and hence double their movement rate?
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Old mate Andrews was questioned over the Melbourne response, too slow, police couldn’t find armour, special ops took half an hour to get there….and so on…
He simply said ‘nothing to see here’. That is generally code in Andrews land for ‘there is a lot to see here’
He simply said ‘nothing to see here’. That is generally code in Andrews land for ‘there is a lot to see here’
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I think there are 3 related issues.
1/. Decision to use 34L A6 as the remote location.
2/. Runway mode operated.
3/. Time to de-escalate the situation and return operations to normal.
Given MAS122 was an air-return then there was time to plan the intended remote location. The use of 16R as an arrival runway possibility influenced the use of 34L A6. Was the aircraft offered or did they require 16R? Either way then the aircraft could've been taxied to one of the other designated areas on 16L (lesser of two evils).
Given use the closure of 16R then the use of 16L seemed obvious however other options could've been considered. As mentioned, 16L ARR and 25 DEP or 25 ARR and 16L DEP seemed obvious.
Pleased that all are safe. If 1/. and/or 2/. were different then there should've less disruption overall.
1/. Decision to use 34L A6 as the remote location.
2/. Runway mode operated.
3/. Time to de-escalate the situation and return operations to normal.
Given MAS122 was an air-return then there was time to plan the intended remote location. The use of 16R as an arrival runway possibility influenced the use of 34L A6. Was the aircraft offered or did they require 16R? Either way then the aircraft could've been taxied to one of the other designated areas on 16L (lesser of two evils).
Given use the closure of 16R then the use of 16L seemed obvious however other options could've been considered. As mentioned, 16L ARR and 25 DEP or 25 ARR and 16L DEP seemed obvious.
Pleased that all are safe. If 1/. and/or 2/. were different then there should've less disruption overall.
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Was the aircraft offered or did they require 16R?
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What's the bet that we'll now all get extra security checks/scans, because obviously there was a 'MacGyver'-style threat that had to be work-shopped.
Waiting on a runway for 3 hours after 1 hour notice of a problem does not inspire me with a lot of confidence in the outfit that was 'in charge'.
Waiting on a runway for 3 hours after 1 hour notice of a problem does not inspire me with a lot of confidence in the outfit that was 'in charge'.
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To be honest I thought they would have stopped all arrivals and departures for half an hour or more,so I’m mildly impressed with the response.
Is there a chance that a more efficient runway mode was possible but due to ASA staff retention failures it was unable to be implemented?
Is there a chance that a more efficient runway mode was possible but due to ASA staff retention failures it was unable to be implemented?
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Once the aircraft landed, the authorities would probably have assessed the risk as relatively low, but they still needed to be sure there was no device planted somewhere running on a timer.
Though it is surprising that they didn't do a rapid evacuation.
Of greater concern now is how this fruitcake gets sentenced. If they drop him in the loony bin for 5 years and then he gets out, who is to say he won't be like that other nutter in the Lindt Cafe disaster? They had pre-warning that he was a crazy radical, too.
The Israelis would have dealt with this guy quite differently. If they hadn't shot him, they would never release him back into public life.
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Correct, NSWPOL are the controlling body for all emergencies, however Fedpol have the baton when it comes to enforcement ie arrests
Don’t hold your breath for that DROPS, The relocation project is currently flatlining and appears to be heading down the road of another ASA failed project.
As for 16L for arrivals only, with weather on final on many heavies in the mix I doubt a higher arrival rate could of been achieved, maybe 2 or 3 max. All these aircraft would then have to cross an active runway to get to the terminals as well as dealing with all the departures waiting to go off 25. 16L arrivals 25 Departures isn’t a mode ever used also, I think in the interest of safety what occurred was the safest given the situation.
What's the bet that we'll now all get extra security checks/scans, because obviously there was a 'MacGyver'-style threat that had to be work-shopped.
Waiting on a runway for 3 hours after 1 hour notice of a problem does not inspire me with a lot of confidence in the outfit that was 'in charge'.
Waiting on a runway for 3 hours after 1 hour notice of a problem does not inspire me with a lot of confidence in the outfit that was 'in charge'.