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Old 14th Aug 2023, 02:38
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Qantas, Alan Joyce’s personal play thing.

BREAKING

Qantas unveils ‘Yes23’ livery for three planes, reaffirms support for Voice

A key detail will be added to several Qantas planes as the national carrier backs in the Voice to parliament.
Courtney Gouldless than 2 min read
August 14, 2023 - 11:11AMNCA NewsWire

Yes campaigners believe the road to referendum success for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament is to doorknock on a quarter of a million homes by…

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has confirmed the national carrier is supporting the Voice to parliament, unveiling special livery on three aircraft and free flights for key Yes campaigners.

The airline chief revealed the planes with the Yes23 campaign logo alongside Prime Minister Anthony Albanese at Sydney Airport on Monday morning.

Mr Joyce said the carriers support for the Voice continued the national carrier’s long commitment to reconciliation.

“We’re supporting the Yes23 campaign because we believe a formal voice to government will help close the gap for First Nations people in important areas like health, education and employment,” he said.

“Like our Flying Art livery aircraft showcasing First Nations culture to a global audience, these aircraft will send a message of support for a Yes vote as they travel the country.

“We know there are a range of views on this issue, including amongst our customers and employees, and we respect that. I encourage people to find out more, to listen to First Nations voices, and to make their own decisions.”

The livery will be carried on three aircraft: a Qantas Boeing 737, a QantasLink Dash 8 Turboprop and a Jetstar Airbus A320
Like the gay marriage referendum this has nothing to do with running an airline and catering to the people who use it. The board and CEO are a disgrace.

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Why's that SOSEG? Genuinely interested. Not being a smart ar$e. What about welcome to countries, smoking ceremonies, basket weaving at HQ, do Aboriginal's as a whole think it's doing more harm than good, or is it just a massive eyeroll? Again I can assure you I am being respectful and not taking the pi$$.
In short, my people have bigger problems that these virtue signalling Karens have never seen with their own eyes from the comfort of their inner city homes. This vote will divide not unite. I don't need to say much more than that. Keep social politics out of business. It's just pandering to the vocal minority who like to scream and pat themselves on the back.
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make their own decisions.
​​​​​​​OK, my decision is to not use Qantas.
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I'm a "Yes" supporter but getting involved in politics is an insult to the intelligence of QF's passengers and shareholders. Whatever next? Can't imagine AA having "Vote Trump" or BA "Remain" plastered over their aircraft. Stick to your product Qantas - the CEO is entitled to his views but I really don't want to know.
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If like Virgin in a previous life when it was owned by Branson he can do what ever he wanted it was his train set. This one doesn’t belong to Joyce or the board and it’s not as if it’s a pillar of our society. It survived because of tax payer generosity which hasn’t been returned , it gouges on price, it has poor service yet it try’s to take the high moral ground and lecture the public. Makes me want to puke.
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Al: Thanks for blocking QR the other week Albo, gives us time to renew our tired fleet.
Albo: No worries Al, say can you do us a favour and paint "YES" on a cuppla aircraft?
Al: Sure, Albo, anything for you. How's Nate enjoying the CC?
Albo: Bonza Al, pardon the pun!
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If Joyce thinks the answer is YES, I automatically think I will vote NO.

Albanese is on the WRONG horse again.
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We await the Joe Aston masterpiece…
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Same boat as you Max TOW. I'm leaning towards a yes vote.

I do not think it's appropriate for a listed company to speak for all of its holders on an issue that has nothing to do with running an airline.

TBH, it's likely a case of virtue signalling by Joyce.

edit. I wonder how it will look when it likely fails to pass. A majority of voters and a majority of states is a tall order. And without both sides supporting any referendum, passing is even harder.

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The trouble for corporations in our increasingly binary society is that if you don't climb on the populous boat, you are automatically slagged as a villain. While I don't agree with this at all, for the same reasons as mentioned, if a corporation does not side with the vocal minority, the mudslinging that it's because they are a racist/bigot/misogynist (insert appropriate slur) is too damaging to ignore. There is no longer any grey areas in debate these days. You are for us or are the enemy. It's no longer safe for a corporation (or anyone for that matter) to say they do not, or should not have an opinion. If they do not, then why not, and God help them it they have the wrong one (according to the aforesaid very vocal minority).
we believe....will help close the gap for First Nations people in important areas like health, education and employment
Who's "we"? Perhaps AJ can make a personal philanthropic contribution towards some of these lofty ideals from the many millions he's gained from his tenure at Qantas. That may actually do something. Perhaps QF group can offer cheap travel to indigenous people travelling to areas to gain access to those important things like health, education and employment? But of course, basing things on race would be discriminatory, and you can't do that......oh, wait.
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. It's no longer safe for a corporation (or anyone for that matter) to say they do not, or should not have an opinion. If they do not, then why not, and God help them it they have the wrong one (according to the aforesaid very vocal minority).
I'd argue the reverse. A corporation that unnecessarily gets involved in a finely balanced national debate such as this risks alienating substantial numbers of staff, shareholders and customers. Were they consulted and if not, is such position taking within the remit of the CEO or even the board?
Ironically, I feel that until Qantas focuses on restoring its own tarnished brand image, plastering its "corporate opinion" on the aircraft is probably counter-productive to helping the "Yes" vote anyway.
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Virtue signalling from a company that is already on the nose for many Australians is going to do absolutely nothing for the Yes cause.
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As someone who is indigenous and of the Bun Wurrung people I will be voting no.
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While I know everyone likes a Qantas/Joyce pile-on, it’s worth noting that they are hardly out on their own here.
A survey by The Australian Financial Review found 14 of the current top 20 companies are publicly supporting the Voice, including the big banks, Transurban and resources giants BHP, Rio Tinto and Newcrest.
Majority of ASX 20 companies publicly support Voice
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Just reached Platinum status on QF, but I’ll use the points on AA from now on. Bye Qantas, you’ve lost the plot.
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Originally Posted by soseg
As someone who is indigenous and of the Bun Wurrung people I will be voting no.
Why's that SOSEG? Genuinely interested. Not being a smart ar$e. What about welcome to countries, smoking ceremonies, basket weaving at HQ, do Aboriginal's as a whole think it's doing more harm than good, or is it just a massive eyeroll? Again I can assure you I am being respectful and not taking the pi$$.
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Originally Posted by dejapoo
Why's that SOSEG? Genuinely interested. Not being a smart ar$e. What about welcome to countries, smoking ceremonies, basket weaving at HQ, do Aboriginal's as a whole think it's doing more harm than good, or is it just a massive eyeroll? Again I can assure you I am being respectful and not taking the pi$$.
In short, my people have bigger problems that these virtue signalling Karens have never seen with their own eyes from the comfort of their inner city homes. This vote will divide not unite. I don't need to say much more than that. Keep social politics out of business. It's just pandering to the vocal minority who like to scream and pat themselves on the back.
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Virtue signalling from a company that is already on the nose for many Australians is going to do absolutely nothing for the Yes cause.
Spot on. The silent majority is forgotten in all the sound and fury.

Frustratingly I suspect for the yes camp, a referendum is exactly the time when the silent majority get's a voice.
Ah, the irony.
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I’m glad Joyce did this, I’m a strong no voter to this referendum and the more you shove it down people’s throats while delivering a **** product in your core business which is aviation. The more you will pi$$ people off and make them vote no, thanks again for helping the No vote Allan.
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I was horrified listening to the News this afternoon. Joyce has struck again, but more than that he actually lied on the broadcast. Qantas (and in particular Joyce) should concentrate on operating what was once a great airline. Making a 'political' statement by endorsing a contentious referendum, and actually having some of Qantas aircraft being painted in the "Yes to the Voice" colours are an absolute disgrace. Doesn't matter if you are for or against, Qantas should not be getting involved in politics that have absolutely nothing to do with operating an Airline. As for his statement, "We are the oldest continuous operating Airline in the World." That's just an outright lie, or did I miss a news statement that KLM has ceased operating. I hope KLM sues him personally. The sooner he leaves Qantas, the sooner it may be able to get back to being a great Airline that it was in the 70's when I worked for them and was proud to wear the uniform. It will be interesting to see how many people his latest 'mistaken idea' will be driven away from Qantas. Paul
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It amazes me how someone who despises his employees and the working class can be such a massive proponent of such a left wing agenda.
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