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Unfortunately thanks to Mr A and Others this is the only forum for all VA pilots. In a Word ‘ Wounderful’
Not unlike SA em ‘ every minute counts’ . How dare u say that , get out of the ******* office do some jump seat flying and learn. And whistle u there , bring the loads of other mangers VA have who have no ******* idea what VA pilots and more so Captains have to deal with.
Any line Pilot at VA would be happy to have him and the ELT in the jump seat on a 4 day trip to prosecute this 60 seconds. NOT.
And now we have the head of Casa Medical Kate Maderson wanting to talk to us re mental health.
**** me , recently in December I did my 6 monthly medical because I am old, Passed yet Casa shortly after wanted me do a stress test. I have never had to do one. I tried for weeks to ask why . Rang Casa over a two week period , they couldn’t tell me why, rang Kate Madersons Bega medical office attempting to speak to her, guess what she never had the professionalism to get back to me. Finally sense prevailed thanks to our excellent VA medical staff and I never did need to a stress test , CASA ****** up.
Now this Kate Maderson has the hide to talk to us about mental health whilst her office Casa sets these outrageous and dangerous hours we can fly a 737 as pilots, **** me. Casa and VA wouldn't know mental health if they feel over it. Why because they never get out on line , they sit on their back sides in the office. Any one who runs their own businesses understands. When has any VA Pilot had Casa or VA Management in the flight deck and or jump seat asking.. looking ..,learning etc .
The system is broken both at Casa and VA head office.
Again where is the Union !,,
VA at present is about as interesting as the bloody never ending tennis, I can only hope we become , turn left ‘ Trump 780.’ Or I guess if J has her way ‘ Tennis 500 ‘
The industry is totally ******. for so so many .
Not unlike SA em ‘ every minute counts’ . How dare u say that , get out of the ******* office do some jump seat flying and learn. And whistle u there , bring the loads of other mangers VA have who have no ******* idea what VA pilots and more so Captains have to deal with.
Any line Pilot at VA would be happy to have him and the ELT in the jump seat on a 4 day trip to prosecute this 60 seconds. NOT.
And now we have the head of Casa Medical Kate Maderson wanting to talk to us re mental health.
**** me , recently in December I did my 6 monthly medical because I am old, Passed yet Casa shortly after wanted me do a stress test. I have never had to do one. I tried for weeks to ask why . Rang Casa over a two week period , they couldn’t tell me why, rang Kate Madersons Bega medical office attempting to speak to her, guess what she never had the professionalism to get back to me. Finally sense prevailed thanks to our excellent VA medical staff and I never did need to a stress test , CASA ****** up.
Now this Kate Maderson has the hide to talk to us about mental health whilst her office Casa sets these outrageous and dangerous hours we can fly a 737 as pilots, **** me. Casa and VA wouldn't know mental health if they feel over it. Why because they never get out on line , they sit on their back sides in the office. Any one who runs their own businesses understands. When has any VA Pilot had Casa or VA Management in the flight deck and or jump seat asking.. looking ..,learning etc .
The system is broken both at Casa and VA head office.
Again where is the Union !,,
VA at present is about as interesting as the bloody never ending tennis, I can only hope we become , turn left ‘ Trump 780.’ Or I guess if J has her way ‘ Tennis 500 ‘
The industry is totally ******. for so so many .
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From what I hear the company has already come back to the unions in the last few days offering less money than the “eye watering” low November offer. Removal of most work rule buffers to their benefit, increase from 900 to 1000hrs, pro rata payments for working on a DDO….. oh and less days off of 11/12 ( 7 less DDO a year (although one of the unions is happy with less days off for some reason), and an overtime trigger of around 75, sounds like an awesome deal in a work wide pilot shortage 🙄
no wonder they aren’t updating their members.
no wonder they aren’t updating their members.
Much Anger there. Just accept that you work for a bunch of self-serving vultures that run a sheltered workshop for virtue-signaling twats with a large Social Engineering division. Accept that flight ops just go round in circles making the same fvckups every 5 years or so. Accept that everything related to the frontline will be under resourced, badly trained, and demotivated. Never extend. Remain completely professional in the discharge of your duties but beyond that don’t lift a finger to assist the operation.
100% the only way to work for that dysfunctional mess of an organisation.
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Watching the lastest Town Hall , there is no way any significant pay or conditions will come from the new EBA given the current standarding of our two Unions.
And most probably , it will be unsurprising that they go further backwards.
And most probably , it will be unsurprising that they go further backwards.
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6 % over 4 years is totally reasonable. Call it 25 add our 20 we lost plus another 10 to cover the last 3 yrs = 55 %
That takes a Capt to around $330 . That is what at a minimum a VA CPT should be on, for 60 flight hrs. My number is 350. And that’s not eye watering it’s what they are worth for their job.
But with our weak Unions Your Dreaming.
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Know your worth and fvck the psychopaths who run these airlines.
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From what I hear the company has already come back to the unions in the last few days offering less money than the “eye watering” low November offer. Removal of most work rule buffers to their benefit, increase from 900 to 1000hrs, pro rata payments for working on a DDO….. oh and less days off of 11/12 ( 7 less DDO a year (although one of the unions is happy with less days off for some reason), and an overtime trigger of around 75, sounds like an awesome deal in a work wide pilot shortage 🙄
no wonder they aren’t updating their members.
no wonder they aren’t updating their members.
Nope and not a chance that will get a yes vote. The starting point is 300/200. Any less than that and the company will find they’ll be heading down the path of Network. Unless they miraculously find a way to change sentiment and morale in the mean time.
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That’s good to hear - last I heard, base for FO was still $130k at MCG of 57.5
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Those are big numbers asked of the pilot group. Remember only $120mil made last year. We would hate to see a company with no money left to reinvest and grow which benefits us all or worse no company left at all.
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- massive world wide pilot shortage, broken pledges for a proper work/lifestyle CMS system in exchange for a pay cut in the last eba. A union asking for less days off 😳 and won’t admit they have cocked it up (yes they already endorsed an agreement for another mob when their own members voted no 3 times- same will happen here) an offer less than what they offered in November 😆, and the removal of most work rule protections to make work/life balance worse.
this will head the same way as Network almost certainly.
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They have to understand that it’s the pilots turn now. It’s our market. There’s a shortage of pilots and airlines are hiking pay rates to get them. If they can’t pay market rates then frankly, they shouldn’t be in business, simple.
300/200 is the starting point based on current terms. If they want concessions, they come at a cost above those pay rates. They also need to pay for the failures of the last EBA. Somehow they seem to think that their non compliance can be forgotten about. If pilots didn’t comply with the EBA, there would be a lot of noise about it.