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Despite your politics there is no denying the depicted events of that time and the subsequent effect it has had on jet airline T&C’s forever after.
IMHO the seismic nature of it lingers today.
IMHO the seismic nature of it lingers today.
Actually, 30 years later in 2000, you still had a wonderful lifestyle and good pay in Ansett and Qantas.
Then Virgin Blue came along, pilots started paying for their endorsements and angry 89ers taking training jobs, for less than incumbent FO’s were being paid at the majors.
There have been plenty of opportunities to invest well since 2000 and survive the downturns. Hedging in the inevitable fight against inflation that eats away wage buying power. QF guys seem to have done it?
So get cracking! Not just investing for retirement but to be Bank of Mum and Dad for your kids.
Then Virgin Blue came along, pilots started paying for their endorsements and angry 89ers taking training jobs, for less than incumbent FO’s were being paid at the majors.
There have been plenty of opportunities to invest well since 2000 and survive the downturns. Hedging in the inevitable fight against inflation that eats away wage buying power. QF guys seem to have done it?
So get cracking! Not just investing for retirement but to be Bank of Mum and Dad for your kids.
Slugga,
So true.
And I see $ and MCG figures talked about in the ‘ Teams’ from both sides. 69 79 hrs **** me really.
Christ we are flying airplanes here. 60 hrs for a fair wage is it. And that’s a lot. People in Teams are expressing their genuine frustration and desire for change, but no one at VA management can make that change, it’s not A it’s J.
Any one short of 350k for a Capt with a MCG of 6O hrs and Fo at 66 % of this is mug and sorry just plain dumb. And whilst I do not accept Airline Pilots should have their Salaries based on performance or productivity ,6O hrs is very high and therefore a very good offer to VA.
If u want to work more than 60 hrs do so on OT. That’s fine, it’s your life. But u won’t make 70 ,!
The union as Slugga has said , for some 50 yrs sold u short don’t follow them.
Teams is like politicians all talk no action, ‘ A ‘ can’t not make or change its only from J ,and she has demonstrated over the past years that’s not her mamtra. Which is fine , it’s her business.
Thats where the union is supposed to be and add value to its members, has it !,,, NO.
The distress and frustration that VA higher management causes to not just Pilots but most employees is a disgrace, Union where are u .
The union is asleep at the wheel. ******* useless.
The duty / FLT hrs. we do in a 737 are insane. Mr Unions do your job. Listen to your members and non members. Spend some money,! Hire professional negotiators.
So true.
And I see $ and MCG figures talked about in the ‘ Teams’ from both sides. 69 79 hrs **** me really.
Christ we are flying airplanes here. 60 hrs for a fair wage is it. And that’s a lot. People in Teams are expressing their genuine frustration and desire for change, but no one at VA management can make that change, it’s not A it’s J.
Any one short of 350k for a Capt with a MCG of 6O hrs and Fo at 66 % of this is mug and sorry just plain dumb. And whilst I do not accept Airline Pilots should have their Salaries based on performance or productivity ,6O hrs is very high and therefore a very good offer to VA.
If u want to work more than 60 hrs do so on OT. That’s fine, it’s your life. But u won’t make 70 ,!
The union as Slugga has said , for some 50 yrs sold u short don’t follow them.
Teams is like politicians all talk no action, ‘ A ‘ can’t not make or change its only from J ,and she has demonstrated over the past years that’s not her mamtra. Which is fine , it’s her business.
Thats where the union is supposed to be and add value to its members, has it !,,, NO.
The distress and frustration that VA higher management causes to not just Pilots but most employees is a disgrace, Union where are u .
The union is asleep at the wheel. ******* useless.
The duty / FLT hrs. we do in a 737 are insane. Mr Unions do your job. Listen to your members and non members. Spend some money,! Hire professional negotiators.
Reading these last few threads it is the reason I retired early. Coming off the back of a 12 hour tour of duty following an early start out of an ordinary hotel, my flight terminated in a maintenance base, instead of signing off we had to wait 2 hours for technical service then pax home in the same Aircraft. Total elapsed time from waking up was 21 hours. Then I had to drive home 20 km's in the wee hours of the morning. I remember shedding a tear on the couch and saying to myself I can't do this. Management had the notion that a tour of duty was that period between days off. 16 hour split tours weren't uncommon either. I had never worked that hard in my life and it would be for the very last time.
Whilst I'm happily retired I am disappointed it had to end that way.
Whilst I'm happily retired I am disappointed it had to end that way.
hire professional eba negotiators - Google Search
Did you open any of the search results?
A quick scan of the results, ignoring any unsuitable results like ads, a Pprune thread, unions in other industries such as nursing or informational government websites shows not much in the way of negotiators oriented towards workers instead of businesses:
Enterprise Agreements: Specialists in EBAs (enterprisebargaining.com.au) Clearly on the side of business, no unions listed in their clients.
EBA Negotiations – HR Gurus HR works for management.
EBA (professionalsaustralia.org.au) Is a union which does not represent pilots.
HR Professionals For Enterprise Agreements | Red Wagon (redwagonsolutions.com.au) HR works for management. No unions in their client list.
Employment Law Representation & Legal Advice - EI Legal Clearly state they work for employers, HR professionals and senior executives.
Negotiating Effective EBA's - On Demand HR Takes some reading between the lines, but they are advising businesses/management, not unions.
Enterprise bargaining skills training: making you the expert Again, read between the lines but the testimonials are all from business or HR.
Enterprise Bargaining | Free Legal Information | LegalVision More reading between the lines, but written from the perspective of a business or manager.
Engaging our services - Australian Workplace Lawyers No mention of providing negotiating services
Workplace productivity: effective enterprise bargaining (fcbgroup.com.au) Results from about 9 years ago and business oriented.
Understanding the Pros and Cons of an Enterprise Bargaining Agreement - Key Business Advisors (keyba.com.au) Results from about 8 years ago and says "Business Advisors" in their company name.
Which law firms provide negotiators? Could you post the name of one of these firms please?
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Mate do your own work , Call Freehills Law firm to start.
What I am saying is , the Union has totally dropped the ball they need an independent out of house firm to both work with them and importantly push the EBA to an acceptable outcome for pilots.
If not we will here ‘ oh we are working on it or yes we are aware of this ‘ in other words like our political leaders.
What I am saying is , the Union has totally dropped the ball they need an independent out of house firm to both work with them and importantly push the EBA to an acceptable outcome for pilots.
If not we will here ‘ oh we are working on it or yes we are aware of this ‘ in other words like our political leaders.
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Mate do your own work , Call Freehills Law firm to start.
What I am saying is , the Union has totally dropped the ball they need an independent out of house firm to both work with them and importantly push the EBA to an acceptable outcome for pilots.
If not we will hear ‘ oh we are working on it or yes we are aware of this ‘ in other words like our political leaders.
What I am saying is , the Union has totally dropped the ball they need an independent out of house firm to both work with them and importantly push the EBA to an acceptable outcome for pilots.
If not we will hear ‘ oh we are working on it or yes we are aware of this ‘ in other words like our political leaders.
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this look will fit in wonderfully with our new seating arrangements which with the increased layout and lack of cabin divider looks cheap and nasty. They have really ruined the interior look of our aircraft, it looks like a charter flight now with animals included below and above deck.
What next??
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This SC has the ability to be more than competitive with any HR and lawyers put up by any airline.
How do I know , ask me in person only.
Team him up with a strong union and you have the winning team.
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His area of ‘ Expertise’ includes Aviation , Appellate, Mediation and Arbitration.
He is well versed in Industrial law and more.
His expertise is for us ; the ability at the very top level to negotiate the outcome pilots want, in conjunction with the union.
Make no mistake they are not cheap but lethal in them ability to get the results wanted.
The best analogy I can give , they are absolutely like you have never seen , amazing people.
And there are others like him available to help .
He is well versed in Industrial law and more.
His expertise is for us ; the ability at the very top level to negotiate the outcome pilots want, in conjunction with the union.
Make no mistake they are not cheap but lethal in them ability to get the results wanted.
The best analogy I can give , they are absolutely like you have never seen , amazing people.
And there are others like him available to help .
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this look will fit in wonderfully with our new seating arrangements which with the increased layout and lack of cabin divider looks cheap and nasty. They have really ruined the interior look of our aircraft, it looks like a charter flight now with animals included below and above deck.
What next??
What next??
Think of Virgin like a body infected with a parasite. They are well infected at the moment, surgery will be undertaken soon, but post op it’s still infected. That’s how Private Equity works, and that’s exactly how they want it. They will be ripping cash from Virgin for decades to come.
There are no ‘good ol days’ when you are owned by these people. Fight for what you are worth, but the place will be a circus for years and decades to come with plenty of snouts in the money trough. You think all this stops when they soon sell off, think again. They are involved as ever for a long time yet.
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Well what next you ask.
After 4 days of 12 hr insane duties thanks to the complete idiots at CASA who allow this, I can report once again how upset VA pilots are.
Our Cabin Crew can now access on full pay , time to have a sex sex change. But not Pilots .
I had to deal with 4 days of distraught Pilots .
Again what next.
Since posting this next has arrived.
Our CMS project started some 2 .5 yrs ago is again dead.
But wait there is more, they are working on it.
It never ends , one can only hope our new CEO is astute.
**** seriously any Pilot here that believes in it OR any thing told to us is seriously …….
After 4 days of 12 hr insane duties thanks to the complete idiots at CASA who allow this, I can report once again how upset VA pilots are.
Our Cabin Crew can now access on full pay , time to have a sex sex change. But not Pilots .
I had to deal with 4 days of distraught Pilots .
Again what next.
Since posting this next has arrived.
Our CMS project started some 2 .5 yrs ago is again dead.
But wait there is more, they are working on it.
It never ends , one can only hope our new CEO is astute.
**** seriously any Pilot here that believes in it OR any thing told to us is seriously …….
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I had to deal with 4 days of distraught Pilots.
Jesus Farrari you are a miserable piece of work. You really need to leave the industry and find some happiness - sounds like every day is just a bloody hornet's nest for you
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Turbantime and R R , guys telll me who u are so I can leave u alone, or next time we fly have to guts to tell me. I expect u are both on my no fly list.
Mean while the average wage has risen by 13.8;% past 2 years , us 4 , after our 20% hit.
You guys above is that ok for Pilots.
Sent u both a private em call me , but expect you both don’t.
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Mean while the average wage has risen by 13.8;% past 2 years , us 4 , after our 20% hit.
You guys above is that ok for Pilots.
Sent u both a private em call me , but expect you both don’t.
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