717 phased out by mid-2024 in favour of A220
I may be over-simplifying, but….
Redundancies can be very expensive for companies. One cannot be ‘forced’ onto another contract within a corporation unless one asks for or accepts it. Who else, in the current climate, will come in & fly for the ‘low-ball’ offer? I hope I’m not naiive in hoping E190/A220 pilots can make some gains while 737 pilots do too….
I’m trying to be an optimist.🤔☺️
I’m trying to be an optimist.🤔☺️
Last edited by Jetsbest; 31st May 2023 at 02:51.
I hope I’m not naiive in hoping E190/A220 pilots can make some gains while 737 pilots do too….
The A220 operation also appears to be missing flight crew from their operation.
Whilst Network gets single digit pilot applications each month.
Rex announce routes cut due to a shortage of pilots. Finally Jetstar publically admitted a crew shortage.
So in that context one would hope for some serious EA - EBA increases.
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QF has admitted to seeing the A220 as the future of the short haul fleet and will replace 74 737-800s with 20 or 30 A321s. The balance will be A220s…probably 60+. The redundant 737 pilots will have the choice of LWOP and a five year exile to the Qjet award or a few month's pay and a shove out the door.
In reality mainline is recruiting 20 per month and the 737 is about to have about 150 new pilots (1/4 of the fleet) trained onto it over the next 12 months. Not something that happens if redundancy is imminent.
Not something that happens if redundancy is imminent.
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Truth is the 737s are pretty reliable workhorses, are cheap to run and make money hand over fist. There's no reason to get rid of them. The first one wont be gone until 2025, and then half the fleet will remain post 2030.
Doesn’t it seem convenient that SH has an EBA coming up in the short term?
Company with dress it up as a “have we got a deal for you!…to secure some A220 flying”. In return we want xyz.
I don’t see the company getting the crews needed in this climate. Time for some solidarity.
Company with dress it up as a “have we got a deal for you!…to secure some A220 flying”. In return we want xyz.
I don’t see the company getting the crews needed in this climate. Time for some solidarity.
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I don’t think the A220 flying will be even offered, but there will probably be threats around the A321 as another group entity is already flying a similar type with red tails….oh and don’t forget the pay freeze that we “owe” them 😂. It’s going to be an interesting negotiation as it’s probably the last one involving 737 operations, and the tone of negotiations will definitely give us an idea of the future of mainline short haul.
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Truth is the 737s are pretty reliable workhorses, are cheap to run and make money hand over fist. There's no reason to get rid of them. The first one wont be gone until 2025, and then half the fleet will remain post 2030.
Or you can do what QF is already doing and just ignore these dinosaurs need more staff to handle them and let baggage delays blow out to hours or don't even bother loading/unloading so the bags end up anywhere.
It's HR who are authorising recruitment numbers. They won't be recruiting like mad for the foreseeable future (1000 from 2022-27) and then be planning to make a large number of those redundant.
Truth is the 737s are pretty reliable workhorses, are cheap to run and make money hand over fist. There's no reason to get rid of them. The first one wont be gone until 2025, and then half the fleet will remain post 2030.
Truth is the 737s are pretty reliable workhorses, are cheap to run and make money hand over fist. There's no reason to get rid of them. The first one wont be gone until 2025, and then half the fleet will remain post 2030.
Half of the fleet (36) remaining longer than six more years means what in the context of 20 aircraft replacing 36? And for how long after 2030?
None of the assurances about the 737 are in writing with guarantees (with penalties). They are therefore just so much bull****.
There’s been no “admission” from management about the exact fleet future, the only thing stated is that the 737s will probably be going to the extent of their service life, so over half the fleet will still be flying after 2030.
In reality mainline is recruiting 20 per month and the 737 is about to have about 150 new pilots (1/4 of the fleet) trained onto it over the next 12 months. Not something that happens if redundancy is imminent.
In reality mainline is recruiting 20 per month and the 737 is about to have about 150 new pilots (1/4 of the fleet) trained onto it over the next 12 months. Not something that happens if redundancy is imminent.
The current shorthaul award is, I will remind you, based on the 737-300 which is about like the A-220. Except of course a few years of pay freezes along the way.
There’s been no “admission” from management about the exact fleet future, the only thing stated is that the 737s will probably be going to the extent of their service life, so over half the fleet will still be flying after 2030.
In reality mainline is recruiting 20 per month and the 737 is about to have about 150 new pilots (1/4 of the fleet) trained onto it over the next 12 months. Not something that happens if redundancy is imminent.
In reality mainline is recruiting 20 per month and the 737 is about to have about 150 new pilots (1/4 of the fleet) trained onto it over the next 12 months. Not something that happens if redundancy is imminent.
Even when faced with clear evidence, AIPA continue to believe in uncle Alan’s assurances……
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