Post Covid staff bonuses
It has been announced that 100,000 Emirates Airline staff will receive 24 weeks bonus pay this year as a way of keeping them at the airline.
Singapore Airlines followed suit but raised it to 8 .5 months salary as a bonus for eligible staff.
Does anyone here know if Air New Zealand or Qantas or Virgin Australia are looking at staff bonuses to help secure their staff numbers?
Just asking because I’d like a JetSki.
Cheers
Singapore Airlines followed suit but raised it to 8 .5 months salary as a bonus for eligible staff.
Does anyone here know if Air New Zealand or Qantas or Virgin Australia are looking at staff bonuses to help secure their staff numbers?
Just asking because I’d like a JetSki.
Cheers
AJ will never give a 6 month bonus, because they only thing he’s ever been invested in since starting at Qantas is lining his own pockets.
Step 1 - cancel hundreds of new aircraft orders to maximise short term profit
Step 2 - shut down and cost the airline hundreds of millions as an industrial bullying tactic
Step 3 - forget about your core business of flying people safely from A to B and instead use your airline to push political agendas
Step 4 - surround yourself with people who tell you you’re doing a great job, remove anyone who doesn’t
Step 5 - sack ground handlers illegally
Step 6 - attempt to replace your Australian pilots with cheap foreign labor, turn your once safe airline into a series of outsourced and cheap contractors
Step 7 - hire a new CEO internally who won’t come in and criticise what you’ve done
Step 8 - walk out the door just before a monumental CAPEX with horrifically bad fleet age metrics
Step 9 - also walk out the door at the height of the share price with a record profit (which is none of your doing, but simply post-COVID demand related) so all your personal bonuses when you leave are maximised
Step 10 - pocket circa $180m after running the country’s biggest, safest and strongest airline and its staff into the ground to be left a shell of what it once was
So tell me, Qanda, is this the sort of person you think is going to give 6 month staff bonuses even if those same staff went unpaid for two years?
Remember how he came out and trumpeted he was forgoing his bonuses and pay during COVID. Look more carefully at what he actually did, essentially just deferred them all to make it LOOK like he wasn’t raping and pillaging while his staff lost their houses and families.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. As an outsider looking in, I don’t understand why you’d even imagine for a second, that this little excuse for a human would be giving out a six month bonus to anyone other than himself.
One day, the piss-weak board members will front an enquiry over why they let this happen.
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
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You high?
AJ will never give a 6 month bonus, because they only thing he’s ever been invested in since starting at Qantas is lining his own pockets.
Step 1 - cancel hundreds of new aircraft orders to maximise short term profit
Step 2 - shut down and cost the airline hundreds of millions as an industrial bullying tactic
Step 3 - forget about your core business of flying people safely from A to B and instead use your airline to push political agendas
Step 4 - surround yourself with people who tell you you’re doing a great job, remove anyone who doesn’t
Step 5 - sack ground handlers illegally
Step 6 - attempt to replace your Australian pilots with cheap foreign labor, turn your once safe airline into a series of outsourced and cheap contractors
Step 7 - hire a new CEO internally who won’t come in and criticise what you’ve done
Step 8 - walk out the door just before a monumental CAPEX with horrifically bad fleet age metrics
Step 9 - also walk out the door at the height of the share price with a record profit (which is none of your doing, but simply post-COVID demand related) so all your personal bonuses when you leave are maximised
Step 10 - pocket circa $180m after running the country’s biggest, safest and strongest airline and its staff into the ground to be left a shell of what it once was
So tell me, Qanda, is this the sort of person you think is going to give 6 month staff bonuses even if those same staff went unpaid for two years?
Remember how he came out and trumpeted he was forgoing his bonuses and pay during COVID. Look more carefully at what he actually did, essentially just deferred them all to make it LOOK like he wasn’t raping and pillaging while his staff lost their houses and families.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. As an outsider looking in, I don’t understand why you’d even imagine for a second, that this little excuse for a human would be giving out a six month bonus to anyone other than himself.
One day, the piss-weak board members will front an enquiry over why they let this happen.
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
AJ will never give a 6 month bonus, because they only thing he’s ever been invested in since starting at Qantas is lining his own pockets.
Step 1 - cancel hundreds of new aircraft orders to maximise short term profit
Step 2 - shut down and cost the airline hundreds of millions as an industrial bullying tactic
Step 3 - forget about your core business of flying people safely from A to B and instead use your airline to push political agendas
Step 4 - surround yourself with people who tell you you’re doing a great job, remove anyone who doesn’t
Step 5 - sack ground handlers illegally
Step 6 - attempt to replace your Australian pilots with cheap foreign labor, turn your once safe airline into a series of outsourced and cheap contractors
Step 7 - hire a new CEO internally who won’t come in and criticise what you’ve done
Step 8 - walk out the door just before a monumental CAPEX with horrifically bad fleet age metrics
Step 9 - also walk out the door at the height of the share price with a record profit (which is none of your doing, but simply post-COVID demand related) so all your personal bonuses when you leave are maximised
Step 10 - pocket circa $180m after running the country’s biggest, safest and strongest airline and its staff into the ground to be left a shell of what it once was
So tell me, Qanda, is this the sort of person you think is going to give 6 month staff bonuses even if those same staff went unpaid for two years?
Remember how he came out and trumpeted he was forgoing his bonuses and pay during COVID. Look more carefully at what he actually did, essentially just deferred them all to make it LOOK like he wasn’t raping and pillaging while his staff lost their houses and families.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. As an outsider looking in, I don’t understand why you’d even imagine for a second, that this little excuse for a human would be giving out a six month bonus to anyone other than himself.
One day, the piss-weak board members will front an enquiry over why they let this happen.
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
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So emotional Pete!
I’m not convinced the tone of your post aligns itself with the question I asked, which was
Also, for those that consider themselves a normal and reasonable Australian, do you get a bit embarrassed when your countrymen burst in het up and half- cocked?
You high?
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
Does anyone here know if Air New Zealand or Qantas or Virgin Australia are looking at staff bonuses to help secure their staff numbers?
you high?
Aj will never give a 6 month bonus, because they only thing he’s ever been invested in since starting at qantas is lining his own pockets.
Step 1 - cancel hundreds of new aircraft orders to maximise short term profit
step 2 - shut down and cost the airline hundreds of millions as an industrial bullying tactic
step 3 - forget about your core business of flying people safely from a to b and instead use your airline to push political agendas
step 4 - surround yourself with people who tell you you’re doing a great job, remove anyone who doesn’t
step 5 - sack ground handlers illegally
step 6 - attempt to replace your australian pilots with cheap foreign labor, turn your once safe airline into a series of outsourced and cheap contractors
step 7 - hire a new ceo internally who won’t come in and criticise what you’ve done
step 8 - walk out the door just before a monumental capex with horrifically bad fleet age metrics
step 9 - also walk out the door at the height of the share price with a record profit (which is none of your doing, but simply post-covid demand related) so all your personal bonuses when you leave are maximised
step 10 - pocket circa $180m after running the country’s biggest, safest and strongest airline and its staff into the ground to be left a shell of what it once was
so tell me, qanda, is this the sort of person you think is going to give 6 month staff bonuses even if those same staff went unpaid for two years?
Remember how he came out and trumpeted he was forgoing his bonuses and pay during covid. Look more carefully at what he actually did, essentially just deferred them all to make it look like he wasn’t raping and pillaging while his staff lost their houses and families.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. As an outsider looking in, i don’t understand why you’d even imagine for a second, that this little excuse for a human would be giving out a six month bonus to anyone other than himself.
One day, the piss-weak board members will front an enquiry over why they let this happen.
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
Aj will never give a 6 month bonus, because they only thing he’s ever been invested in since starting at qantas is lining his own pockets.
Step 1 - cancel hundreds of new aircraft orders to maximise short term profit
step 2 - shut down and cost the airline hundreds of millions as an industrial bullying tactic
step 3 - forget about your core business of flying people safely from a to b and instead use your airline to push political agendas
step 4 - surround yourself with people who tell you you’re doing a great job, remove anyone who doesn’t
step 5 - sack ground handlers illegally
step 6 - attempt to replace your australian pilots with cheap foreign labor, turn your once safe airline into a series of outsourced and cheap contractors
step 7 - hire a new ceo internally who won’t come in and criticise what you’ve done
step 8 - walk out the door just before a monumental capex with horrifically bad fleet age metrics
step 9 - also walk out the door at the height of the share price with a record profit (which is none of your doing, but simply post-covid demand related) so all your personal bonuses when you leave are maximised
step 10 - pocket circa $180m after running the country’s biggest, safest and strongest airline and its staff into the ground to be left a shell of what it once was
so tell me, qanda, is this the sort of person you think is going to give 6 month staff bonuses even if those same staff went unpaid for two years?
Remember how he came out and trumpeted he was forgoing his bonuses and pay during covid. Look more carefully at what he actually did, essentially just deferred them all to make it look like he wasn’t raping and pillaging while his staff lost their houses and families.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. As an outsider looking in, i don’t understand why you’d even imagine for a second, that this little excuse for a human would be giving out a six month bonus to anyone other than himself.
One day, the piss-weak board members will front an enquiry over why they let this happen.
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
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You high?
AJ will never give a 6 month bonus, because they only thing he’s ever been invested in since starting at Qantas is lining his own pockets.
Step 1 - cancel hundreds of new aircraft orders to maximise short term profit
Step 2 - shut down and cost the airline hundreds of millions as an industrial bullying tactic
Step 3 - forget about your core business of flying people safely from A to B and instead use your airline to push political agendas
Step 4 - surround yourself with people who tell you you’re doing a great job, remove anyone who doesn’t
Step 5 - sack ground handlers illegally
Step 6 - attempt to replace your Australian pilots with cheap foreign labor, turn your once safe airline into a series of outsourced and cheap contractors
Step 7 - hire a new CEO internally who won’t come in and criticise what you’ve done
Step 8 - walk out the door just before a monumental CAPEX with horrifically bad fleet age metrics
Step 9 - also walk out the door at the height of the share price with a record profit (which is none of your doing, but simply post-COVID demand related) so all your personal bonuses when you leave are maximised
Step 10 - pocket circa $180m after running the country’s biggest, safest and strongest airline and its staff into the ground to be left a shell of what it once was
So tell me, Qanda, is this the sort of person you think is going to give 6 month staff bonuses even if those same staff went unpaid for two years?
Remember how he came out and trumpeted he was forgoing his bonuses and pay during COVID. Look more carefully at what he actually did, essentially just deferred them all to make it LOOK like he wasn’t raping and pillaging while his staff lost their houses and families.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. As an outsider looking in, I don’t understand why you’d even imagine for a second, that this little excuse for a human would be giving out a six month bonus to anyone other than himself.
One day, the piss-weak board members will front an enquiry over why they let this happen.
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
AJ will never give a 6 month bonus, because they only thing he’s ever been invested in since starting at Qantas is lining his own pockets.
Step 1 - cancel hundreds of new aircraft orders to maximise short term profit
Step 2 - shut down and cost the airline hundreds of millions as an industrial bullying tactic
Step 3 - forget about your core business of flying people safely from A to B and instead use your airline to push political agendas
Step 4 - surround yourself with people who tell you you’re doing a great job, remove anyone who doesn’t
Step 5 - sack ground handlers illegally
Step 6 - attempt to replace your Australian pilots with cheap foreign labor, turn your once safe airline into a series of outsourced and cheap contractors
Step 7 - hire a new CEO internally who won’t come in and criticise what you’ve done
Step 8 - walk out the door just before a monumental CAPEX with horrifically bad fleet age metrics
Step 9 - also walk out the door at the height of the share price with a record profit (which is none of your doing, but simply post-COVID demand related) so all your personal bonuses when you leave are maximised
Step 10 - pocket circa $180m after running the country’s biggest, safest and strongest airline and its staff into the ground to be left a shell of what it once was
So tell me, Qanda, is this the sort of person you think is going to give 6 month staff bonuses even if those same staff went unpaid for two years?
Remember how he came out and trumpeted he was forgoing his bonuses and pay during COVID. Look more carefully at what he actually did, essentially just deferred them all to make it LOOK like he wasn’t raping and pillaging while his staff lost their houses and families.
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. As an outsider looking in, I don’t understand why you’d even imagine for a second, that this little excuse for a human would be giving out a six month bonus to anyone other than himself.
One day, the piss-weak board members will front an enquiry over why they let this happen.
Meanwhile, maybe stop smoking whatever you’re on.
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I’m not convinced the tone of your post aligns itself with the question I asked, which was
If you were actually serious, where do you think the money is going to come from?
Virgin posting a very meagre profit - during a period of unprecedented demand. There’s no way they’ll be giving away anything coming into an IPO . They want to try and convince stupid Mum and Dad investors that they should throw their money away, so they’re not going to be handing out gifts 🤦♂️
As for Rex, they’re 2.5 years in with jet operations and hardly turning a cent of profit. Their turboprop drivers are running out the door en masse, and even if they weren’t, there wouldn’t be enough aircraft with serviceable engines anyway. They’re pulling out of regional routes they’ve done for 30-40+ years.
Pray tell, do you foresee either of these companies giving away free money?
Now all copy and paste that into the company survey of what we think and hit send. 👍
Thread Starter
Diddums. Ask a silly question 🤷♂️
If you were actually serious, where do you think the money is going to come from?
If you were actually serious, where do you think the money is going to come from?
I just saw a couple of newspaper headlines saying that “ Air New Zealand is heading for a billion dollar turnaround as profit surges to 1.3 million a day”. Another headline stated “ Qantas on track to deliver record 2.5 billion dollar profit”. So although I didn’t put a heck of a lot of thought into it, I guess I married that up with both Emirates and Singapore doing their best to hold onto staff and thought the money could come from those profits. Rex was not in my mind ( or the original post) and I hadn’t read anything about Virgin.
I’m struck by the force of feeling in your responses, I hope you have a peaceful night. Qanda
A bonus is temporary and at company discretion. What is better is a solid contract with good T&Cs that can’t be altered on a whim, and solid career progression. I’d rather those than a one off several month bonus.
No - just pointing out that a one off bonus won’t keep people in a job nor attract them there. Plenty of airlines in Australia offering bonuses to join or sign off on an EA, but it doesn’t seem to stop the flood of pilots to jobs with better T&Cs.
A bonus is temporary and at company discretion. What is better is a solid contract with good T&Cs that can’t be altered on a whim, and solid career progression. I’d rather those than a one off several month bonus.
A bonus is temporary and at company discretion. What is better is a solid contract with good T&Cs that can’t be altered on a whim, and solid career progression. I’d rather those than a one off several month bonus.
https://www.aviationbusinessme.com/n...their%20salary.
A bonus doesn’t keep people on a job. On the contrary I’ve known people to wait for a bonus, or backpay to appear in their bank account and resign the next day.
Anyone have any details on the following dot point from today's investor dat at QF?
- Sharing benefits of recovery with all employees – including ~$11,500 in bonuses in FY23-24 plus ongoing improvement to staff travel benefits.
- 1000 (strings attached) shares circa $6500
Same “staff bonuses” they’ve been rehashing over and over for the past 18 months. $5K cash (Minus Tax, Super, HECS) plus 1,000 shares (equal to approx $6,500) again minus Tax and HECS.
Ahh yes, a 5k bonus for signing a pay freeze. Too bad that the two year pay freeze probably equates to 350K in lost earnings over a 25-year career. Assuming the pay freeze is not clawed back at some stage.
Where do I sign?
Where do I sign?
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They can keep their shares and $5k bribe. IDGAF.
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Improved Staff Travel benefits? Maybe if you’re one of the thousands of F11 spankers in the Ivory Towers, but for the rest of us it’s more of the same crap!
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I am not afraid to say it! After two years of little to no pay and a pay freeze after that I expect a big chunk of money in the form of a bonus off the back of record profits, anything less will be an insult. Qantas Group is like the road of bones, a functional highway literally built on the carcasses of the people used to build it.
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I am not afraid to say it! After two years of little to no pay and a pay freeze after that I expect a big chunk of money in the form of a bonus off the back of record profits, anything less will be an insult. Qantas Group is like the road of bones, a functional highway literally built on the carcasses of the people used to build it.
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it.
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