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Old 8th Feb 2024, 12:18
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Originally Posted by nomess
Are Bonza selling phantom seats from the Gold Coast after the Canadians head home in four weeks?

Thatís the rumour.
Why would the Canadians leave? it's still off peak in Canuckville. I guess it all depends how the drinks go after the golf session between CASA and Transport Canada.
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Old 8th Feb 2024, 23:57
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Canucks head home in a few weeks. Bonza advertising for OOL Capts but you need 2000 left seat of an NG or 500 left seat on the MAX. What a joke. I know of someone with 6000 left seat of other 737s and a bunch of NG time but doesn't qualify. Shame on you Bonza. Keep getting the Canucks to fly then at a cost of $2000 plus a day per pilot.

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Old 10th Feb 2024, 00:20
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Unless they have imaginary aircraft on the production line or Boeing is about to pull two out of its @r$e, they are selling phantom seats.

Seattle didnít deliver all that much last month, and it seems like that will be the case this month, and even the next. You donít have to be an einstein in fleet planning to sort out your fleet plans a few months ahead, the delays are well documented.
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Old 10th Feb 2024, 01:28
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There are still a couple of NGs at Flair, my bet is the MAXs will stay in Oz and eventually be crewed by locals and Flair may cut back 2 frames or pick up a couple of NGs to replace the 2 that stay here
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Old 15th Feb 2024, 22:18
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Originally Posted by Deano969
There are still a couple of NGs at Flair, my bet is the MAXs will stay in Oz and eventually be crewed by locals and Flair may cut back 2 frames or pick up a couple of NGs to replace the 2 that stay here
Flair CEO said they are not getting any more aircraft this year.
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 00:48
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Originally Posted by markis10
Flair CEO said they are not getting any more aircraft this year.
I saw that interview as well
I did note that nothing was mentioned regarding the 2 frames in Oz, Flair may well be letting them stay down under without replacement
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 05:05
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Seriously, no one gives a toss. Enough already!
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 10:57
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Seriously, no one gives a toss. Enough already!
If people want to discuss, let them. Don't read the thread if you're not interested.
Scroll on and don't bother others.
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 18:20
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Do we stand with Shonza when they do PIA because they want mainline rates!
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 19:36
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Do we stand with Shonza when they do PIA because they want mainline rates!
I doubt they will but if they did I would support them 100% because it’s the best I can do for the future of pilot conditions Australia wide.
If we want the conditions of Australian pilots to improve at all levels, then we support all of the different pilot groups. In the USA pilot groups regularly compare themselves to the pilots of other companies and claim for similar conditions. Why wouldn’t you? If the staff at Coles demanded the same as the staff at Woolworths it wouldn’t seem unreasonable.
The Airlines need to factor in the increasing retirement rate over the next decade ( up 12%) and how that will effect the recruitment and upgrade requirements even without any industry expansion. If a company like Bonza did recognise this change and decided to create stability within its workforce then paying its pilots well might not be the worst long term strategy. I doubt they do prioritise anything beyond 12 months but still, becoming an employer of choice would have its benefits.
The short answer to the hypothetical is yes ( if you want better conditions for yourself).
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Old 17th Feb 2024, 05:53
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I really think that is a long a way off. Iíd be focusing more on survival and sustainability in the medium term.

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Old 17th Feb 2024, 07:16
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Originally Posted by framer
I doubt they will but if they did I would support them 100% because itís the best I can do for the future of pilot conditions Australia wide.
If we want the conditions of Australian pilots to improve at all levels, then we support all of the different pilot groups. In the USA pilot groups regularly compare themselves to the pilots of other companies and claim for similar conditions. Why wouldnít you? If the staff at Coles demanded the same as the staff at Woolworths it wouldnít seem unreasonable.
The Airlines need to factor in the increasing retirement rate over the next decade ( up 12%) and how that will effect the recruitment and upgrade requirements even without any industry expansion. If a company like Bonza did recognise this change and decided to create stability within its workforce then paying its pilots well might not be the worst long term strategy. I doubt they do prioritise anything beyond 12 months but still, becoming an employer of choice would have its benefits.
The short answer to the hypothetical is yes ( if you want better conditions for yourself).
That's how things generally worked pre 1989, there was an event that year that ultimately ushered in the era of Pilots vs Pilots (AKA same jobs, different pay & conditions).

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Old 17th Feb 2024, 08:07
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Good point Mr Proach, I hope we can take some steps back in that direction. It would make sense if we did because there are now more pilots in the Ausi industry that werenít there to witness it than those who were. Maybe just a generational change is enough to start identifying as one profession again rather than several tribes of pilots.
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Old 18th Feb 2024, 22:20
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Originally Posted by Deano969
I saw that interview as well
I did note that nothing was mentioned regarding the 2 frames in Oz, Flair may well be letting them stay down under without replacement
The two aircraft in question have been given names and are apparently going to be put on the Australian register, so they must be staying here for a bit longer.
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Old 18th Feb 2024, 22:37
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Originally Posted by VHOED191006
The two aircraft in question have been given names and are apparently going to be put on the Australian register, so they must be staying here for a bit longer.
Frames are relatively easy to obtain, crew not so much, wonder if some are looking at jumping ship with the expected merger of Flair & Lynx?
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Old 23rd Feb 2024, 11:16
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No merger, Lynx are gone.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...nada-1.7123247
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Old 23rd Feb 2024, 21:47
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I don't know what the opposite of the Midas touch is but Merren McArthur seems to have it.
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Old 23rd Feb 2024, 22:26
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8 not so old maxís now on the market, mind you 3 of the 4 repossessed Flair birds are still to find a new home.
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 07:20
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Flair crew are heading home this week while one aircraft remains and will be VH registered, second one will return after heavy mx also on the vh reg, wonder where they are getting the crew?
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 07:44
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RAAF, Virgin, Tiger, Nauru, Airwork, Cathay, Qatar, Hinterland, Rex, and ex QF retirees coming out of retirement.

Jetstar and Bonza have removed the requirement for ME prior time. Single engine turbine time will do. Great for the 208 folks! Certainly is a ripper time to become a GA Pilot.
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