Jetstar what is going on?

[PPRuNeUser01531]

It's about time those pesky, trouble making JQ 788's were stood down,given a thorough going over,provided a new red and white uniform and told to front up to mainline.Then they might start to behave.

[Mr_App]

It's about time those pesky, trouble making JQ 788's were stood down,given a thorough going over,provided a new red and white uniform and told to front up to mainline.Then they might start to behave.

Looking at air fleets, the oldest aircraft is 10 years old, the youngest 8 years old. So the whole fleet essentially is now ready for its "D" check.

I assume they don't conduct such heavy maintenance locally.

[MickG0105]

Originally Posted by Mr_App

Looking at air fleets, the oldest aircraft is 10 years old, the youngest 8 years old. So the whole fleet essentially is now ready for its "D" check.
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Wasn't one of Boeing's selling points for the 787 that it would not require its first heavy maintenance D check until its twelfth year in service?

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by Mr_App

For months now I have been reading about some form of ‘bad luck’ this company has been receiving. I note on last nights news, the bad luck was quoted again in some newly installed executive offering his sympathies, in what would appear was a paid news spot. Last week our business has pushed all new client bookings to Virgin. It appears the customer service part of the business has fallen off a cliff.

Now the technical side. Blunder after Blunder. Fleet breakdowns have been a daily event for as long as I can remember. The 787 fleet clearly needs its heavy check while some old rattlers in the Airbus fleet has cost our business significantly due to breakdowns. What is this about a broken windshield in Hawaii that was only just replaced? Fact or Fiction? Faulty wiring on another 787 in Singapore?

Is it all just ‘bad luck’ or does the C Suite have no idea? Who is actually running the thing?

Now you could say… ‘get what you pay for’ etc.. but it wasn’t this bad a year back or pre covid. It’s all become a disaster within the last half and getting worse.

Or it could be that since McDonnell Douglas did a reverse takeover of Boeing they are incapable of making an aeroplane without groundings, refuse in the airframe, burning batteries, faulty parts and errors from one end to the other. Perhaps it's not all Qantas and/or Jetstar's fault?

[SHVC]

I think it’s high time for the 787s to go, these machines are terrible and so unreliable. Another mishandled cancelation in Hawaii now. ST where are you? If you’re not up for the job step aside.

[PoppaJo]

D checks won’t solve the fleet unreliability, they are early build models, they are scarred for life as one engineer told me, American also having some challenges with early build models. They will return from heavy checks and likely last a day before a whole new range of problems are discovered. At least the A330 could still fly even though it had a few problems here and there, one trusty old girl that kept the schedule in check.

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by SHVC

I think it’s high time for the 787s to go, these machines are terrible and so unreliable. Another mishandled cancelation in Hawaii now. ST where are you? If you’re not up for the job step aside.

I criticised Airbus some years ago on this forum (PPRUNE, not this thread). I was taken to task and told that with the A350, Airbus had finally built a 'Boeing' and with the 787, Boeing had finally built an 'Airbus'. Such an engineering powerhouse Boeing but now a shadow of its former self. I stand corrected from back then, while the A350 has had some problems, they haven't included serious despatch reliability and battery fires. Sadly, Boeing let McD management take the helm before asking themselves why McD went broke in the first place.

It'd be like buying a bankrupt company, run into the ground by it's management then offering the job in the merged entity.

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by PoppaJo

D checks won’t solve the fleet unreliability, they are early build models, they are scarred for life as one engineer told me, American also having some challenges with early build models. They will return from heavy checks and likely last a day before a whole new range of problems are discovered. At least the A330 could still fly even though it had a few problems here and there, one trusty old girl that kept the schedule in check.

Show's how far Airbus has progressed and how badly Boeing has gone backwards. The A300s had atrocious despatch reliability against the 767s. At one stage JS apparently ordered that the 767s be gotten rid of and replaced with A300s. Engineering put together the stats to show that any substantive reliability recorded against the 767s was invariably when they were called on to replace yet another A300 that had gone U/S.

Here we are today with a Boeing that can't go a day without an issue and a venerable development of the A300 in the A330 which obviously fixed all the problems of the earlier type and now picks up the slack for Boeings in the fleet. I'd even tend to say the last 747-8 that rolled of the production line last month, was probably the last decent Boeing aeroplane to be built.

[Australopithecus]

The 787 is again on delivery freeze while Boeing reworks the structural analysis of the forward pressure bulkhead which had been outsourced and screwed up.

Boeing went from being a great engineering firm to a shareholder value firm. They transitioned from making airplanes to making money and outsourced as much of the engineering and building as they could. So they are left with the pathetically anachronistic 737 Max, the 787 lightning rod and someday the much delayed 777x