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Old 12th May 2022, 04:04
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Originally Posted by twentyelevens View Post
They probably havenít been given an interview because Alliance knows they wont work as an E-Jet FO for $76,000 a year as proposed.
Given the award for a ejet FO is in the vicinity of 103k, I find it had to believe that Alliance could legally offer thatÖ..
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Old 12th May 2022, 05:54
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Originally Posted by davidclarke View Post
Given the award for a ejet FO is in the vicinity of 103k, I find it had to believe that Alliance could legally offer thatÖ..
Nope he's right. Just saw the email from the recruiter, 3600GBP per month for FOs. They're after 15 Captains and 15 FOs, look to be targeting Brits.
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Old 12th May 2022, 06:14
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Originally Posted by davidclarke View Post
Given the award for a ejet FO is in the vicinity of 103k, I find it had to believe that Alliance could legally offer thatÖ..
Yeah because an aviation operator with form in underpayment and poor conditions has never tried to circumvent the award in this country.
Please, direct me to the fainting couch.
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Old 12th May 2022, 07:29
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1 View Post
Nope he's right. Just saw the email from the recruiter, 3600GBP per month for FOs. They're after 15 Captains and 15 FOs, look to be targeting Brits.
Is there a pilot shortage here or something?
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Old 12th May 2022, 07:45
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1 View Post
Nope he's right. Just saw the email from the recruiter, 3600GBP per month for FOs. They're after 15 Captains and 15 FOs, look to be targeting Brits.
I have also seen said email. They can offer whatever they want, however they must still abide by minimum wages set by fair work. They can try and pay less but will end up in court.
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Old 12th May 2022, 08:42
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Could one of you guys please post the job ad?

only fair if this is happening that the industry is aware.

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Old 12th May 2022, 08:53
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I see a few hoops to jump through and even then…

First they need some takers, to live in the NT on that salary having moved from UK.

They need visas to work in Australia, issues just there.

The salary on offer may not meet FWC requirements.

They will need either licence conversion or certificate of validation.

Once all those issues have been sorted, they are talking about 15 crews. That would be about 10% of their crew requirement.
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Old 12th May 2022, 09:02
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On top of that, they would have to provide proof they need them above Australians. E190 is not a new type Although I think Rex did this with SA on the SAAB few yrs back.
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Old 12th May 2022, 10:04
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Qantas forced NJS pilots to relocate from Darwin when they closed their Darwin base (after 30 years of operation). These people were long term Territorians with homes, families and kids in school who would have stayed for the rest of their careers.

If QF canít crew flights from Darwin itís their own fault completely.

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Old 12th May 2022, 10:32
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Originally Posted by nkand View Post
Could one of you guys please post the job ad?

only fair if this is happening that the industry is aware.

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Old 12th May 2022, 11:03
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The industry in this country never ceases to amaze me. Appalling that they can get away with this type of rubbish.
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Old 12th May 2022, 12:56
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The free serviced apartment, Staff travel with QF and a touring roster with 14 days off is very attractive as an Australian!

Is that in your EA!

Normally B scalers get lesser conditions, the pay works out to the modern award rate assuming they are talking take home pay circa 76KAUD.



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Old 12th May 2022, 19:14
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Dick Smith

Dick Smith is this something that interests you to follow up?

I know you were vocal a few years ago on 457 visas coming to aus.


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Old 12th May 2022, 22:13
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Originally Posted by -41 View Post
The free serviced apartment, Staff travel with QF and a touring roster with 14 days off is very attractive as an Australian!

Is that in your EA!

Normally B scalers get lesser conditions, the pay works out to the modern award rate assuming they are talking take home pay circa 76KAUD.
3 assertions in the first sentence, and youíre wrong - on all 3 occasions. Have you considered a political career?

Its people like you who not only donít think this offer is a disgrace, on a few different levels, but is something to be grateful for (i.e. Youíd accept this) that see us were we are in this industry today.

I really donít know how you live with yourself. (Unless youíre management, in which case, youíre totally used to this level of scum-baggery)

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Old 12th May 2022, 23:05
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Originally Posted by twentyelevens View Post
3 assertions in the first sentence, and you’re wrong - on all 3 occasions. Have you considered a political career?

Its people like you who not only don’t think this offer is a disgrace, on a few different levels, but is something to be grateful for (i.e. You’d accept this) that see us were we are in this industry today.

I really don’t know how you live with yourself. (Unless you’re management, in which case, you’re totally used to this level of scum-baggery)
The position listing states;
Serviced apartment provided at home base
56/14 Rotation with concessional commuting flights to UK (LHR) on QANTAS

I assumed this offer is undermining those already at QQ on the 190. Personally have no idea what their agreement terms are, so yes this is an assumption on my behalf, and a mild attempt at ironic commentary given how many highly experienced redundant pilots are looking for work in Australia.




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Old 13th May 2022, 01:27
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post

And the employees at Australian Airlines that is now rhe domestic arm of QF mainline would be just fine with their lot, I would think.

I'm sure they are. However I think the employees of "QF mainline" (QF pre merger) should be the happy ones. Domestic has been far more profitable than international since the merger. I CBA to add it up but the differences in returns between domestic and international would be orders of magnitude different. If QF was still international only, given the last few years, there's a good chance it wouldn't still be here.

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Old 13th May 2022, 02:20
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Who do you pay tax to in these international FIFO arrangements? Is the housing & flights considered a fringe benefit?
Historically the ATO has usually frown upon these type of arrangements and made it difficult.
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Old 13th May 2022, 06:26
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The free serviced apartment, Staff travel with QF and a touring roster with 14 days off is very attractive as an Australian!
I wonder if it's a free serviced apartment or they'll just ensure they have one available for you to rent at their rates?
Staff travel for the international bit to and from London will be down the back as all the comfy seats are long gone by the time the upgrades get to staff with anything less than an executive level upgrade category.
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Old 13th May 2022, 06:58
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Yeah it would be one hell of a commute.
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Old 13th May 2022, 07:00
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And surely mainline QF staff won't allow them to travel on confirmed tickets to and from london ahead of staff travellers (ie WB pilots and their families)
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