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Old 24th Jan 2022, 04:17
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It will result in xx millions of extra wages a year why would Alan ever agree to that?
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 08:24
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Given recent history if NAA pilots threatened PIA that involved work stoppages, not only could the flying be covered by other parts of the group relatively easily (at least in the short term), one might find that Joyce decides to apply to terminate the EA.

A negotiated outcome is almost always the better outcome.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 09:52
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Fair call, but weren't they the only QF group to make bill in the last 2 years?
Hell, actually doubled in size, didn't they?
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 10:22
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Don’t know. You have some info for us? What has that got to do with Keg’s comments?
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 10:33
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Profit is irrelevant. Jetstar pulls in 400m (well did) and they didnít want to even give pilots 5 cents.

Itís like they forecast and plan (over plan might I add) margins in this company but donít allocate for wage growth. When the good people then go asking for a decent wage, they get told no because our margin aspirations are now not achievable, putting managers targets out of reach hence no bonus for them. They have some crazy 24% margin aspiration at Jetstar. Employees are paying for that might I add. They will say we canít get to those levels of profitability if we need to pay our employees more than bare minimum. Well that will bite them on the ar$e in the future when people leave for better jobs somewhere else.

Unfortunately pilots will be held by the balls for the next few years but donít forget those billion dollar profit days will be back, donít sign your life away forever and ever.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 12:16
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You guys are all funny, talking about strikes and stuff. Just a reminder that our EBA, which is expired by MORE than the CC eba that was cancelled by AJ, is over due by going on 18 months and RH has not even managed one meeting! All meetings have been cancelled by management. Do not underestimate how low a priority our EBA is, its not even a thing in the office that is considered. They DONT care. Soooo many other disasters to deal with.

IF you want something to happen you need to talk to your union. But it will take a massive shift in pilot mentality to actually have the will to make the demand. Most FOís are drooling over a command and wouldnít even write a safety report if they thought it meant compromising THEIR command. Itís been the same forever.

PS, if youíre not in a union you really donít deserve an opinionÖ
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 19:05
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It is curious to me that EBA negotiations are being treated with such a low priority when, within 6-12 months, there will be the highest demand on air travel in history. Thatís world wide. You would think management would be rushing to throw a few dollars and a few lifestyle choices our way, and get an agreement squared away before we gain any bargaining power.

It makes me wonder what they know that we donít, or if they only have one playbook. Are they hoping to use this as a catalyst for lobbying the government to let cheap labour in from overseas or something like that.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 21:43
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Meanwhile over in the States...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....e-2022-1%3famp
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 06:04
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Are they hoping to use this as a catalyst for lobbying the government to let cheap labour in from overseas or something like that.
I love this old chestnut.

From which country is this flood of foreign labour, qualified pilots with experience, coming?
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 07:39
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From which country is this flood of foreign labour, qualified pilots with experience, coming?
They would head off to the Middle East and take easy pickings from there. Then move onto Europe and Africa. Australia is still a very desirable place to live so there is a while yet until a real pilot shortage especially to fly jet aircraft. Not to mention ex CX guys who want out.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 08:02
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Australia is still a very desirable place to live so there is a while yet until a real pilot shortage especially to fly jet aircraft.
Not if airlines keep getting their way and keep screwing T&C down. Australia is quickly becoming a complete shitshow. A couple decades of stagnant wage growth and a fair work commission giving away free kicks to any corporation who asks means Oz is not the lucky country anymore.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 12:00
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Not if airlines keep getting their way and keep screwing T&C down. Australia is quickly becoming a complete shitshow. A couple decades of stagnant wage growth and a fair work commission giving away free kicks to any corporation who asks means Oz is not the lucky country anymore.
Yes but compared to Africa or certain parts of Europe, or any Middle Eastern country itís highly desirable. I have met Europeans who have migrated here for the weather and lifestyle alone. The thought of never seeing a real winter again is quite appealing for some. And if youíre British then a lot of welfare & health benefits are also recognised.
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