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This is where the plot has long being lost . She had an arts degree, was a labor staffer, sold biscuits .. and this made her qualified to do what in an airline? No wonder the industry is in a mess. And the only ones who get the big bonuses have no idea what an aircraft and its crew actually does.
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Poppa Jo, I know of one former flight ops manager who was made redundant who has written to the CEO and COO expressing concern about how flight ops is run and the culture in the department. He showed me his very brief, condescending response from the COO and a blank piece of paper showing the response from the CEO.
I am amazed that the COO has lasted this long
I am amazed that the COO has lasted this long
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This is where the plot has long being lost . She had an arts degree, was a labor staffer, sold biscuits .. and this made her qualified to do what in an airline? No wonder the industry is in a mess. And the only ones who get the big bonuses have no idea what an aircraft and its crew actually does.
This was the case under previous CEOs as well. You just need to look at the number of people who were shown the door while the MRB was in charge. To be fair, his only experience when it comes right down to it, was selling tickets essentially. Sure, people can be put 'in charge' of things or departments, but when those departments are well established and reasonably self-managing, the latter doesn't change much and the former gets to walk away and include that in their 'resume' when they likely never understood any of it at all.
Poppa Jo, I know of one former flight ops manager who was made redundant who has written to the CEO and COO expressing concern about how flight ops is run and the culture in the department. He showed me his very brief, condescending response from the COO and a blank piece of paper showing the response from the CEO.
I am amazed that the COO has lasted this long
I am amazed that the COO has lasted this long
I think I know who you might be talking about in terms of the former Flt Ops person - let's face it, if they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't want them around. That's not their way, first qualification is to enter a room in an upbeat voice and wish everyone a 'happy Monday', followed by a string of management-speak gibberish.
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I am too - I'm surprised ANYONE survived but then again, I'm not really. The person I think you're talking about is another that has had a meteoric rise and of all those in the previous management team, would seem that should have been the first to go.
I think I know who you might be talking about in terms of the former Flt Ops person - let's face it, if they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't want them around. That's not their way, first qualification is to enter a room in an upbeat voice and wish everyone a 'happy Monday', followed by a string of management-speak gibberish.
No aviation experience required.
I think I know who you might be talking about in terms of the former Flt Ops person - let's face it, if they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't want them around. That's not their way, first qualification is to enter a room in an upbeat voice and wish everyone a 'happy Monday', followed by a string of management-speak gibberish.
No aviation experience required.
So true so true 🤣 🤣 🤣
People I've known and trust in the industry who were a dead-set coup for VA to obtain and have work for them, even in project roles, because of their depth of experience and proven track record, were disposed of after being attacked by the incompetent, know-nothing 'high school' mafia (meaning mostly sh-t kickers straight out of High School who know nothing) and highly qualified 'Advisors' (qualified in highly aviation related academic pursuits such as 'arts'). I'm not against academia at all, I believe the purpose of any tertiary area of study is more about expanding a person's mind than the resultant qualification, teaching them to think outside the box so to speak. But, while those people existed in the past, they were always tempered and their influence ameliorated by professional airline people who knew the business, knew the mechanics of how it all fit together and had a grasp of what industry they were in.
Now, anything goes. Some of the people I've seen over the years came into senior positions with direct affect on operational performance and decision-making who's sum total aviation experience was working in the gaming room at a casino, being a crew trainer at McDonalds or working in a retail chain. Not that those people can't make good airline employees eventually, but you start them at check in or marketing, not as the head of a major department that has an affect on people's lives.
I suspect it's not just airlines though, but all through industry. Once narcissists and Dunning-Kruger types got into some positions of power, down went the quality of leadership and up went the salaries and the extent to which seriously senior people were utterly out of their depth. People who's ego runs a mile wide and their substance about a millimetre deep.
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There's more to this story. Former staff are speaking to the Australian so it's a hatchet job. Ms. Watts has pi$$ed off someone, somewhere, for some reason.
i can’t see anything getting better when the chief people officer, and what a fecking ridiculous title that is, takes over. I have met only two people from HR that I would consider actually feeding let alone paying a grossly inflated salary to. Useless the lot of them and if anyone is going to suck up to management and do exactly what they say without question it is someone from hr. Given Ms Watts has left under a cloud, due to what appears to be behavioural issues causing everyone else in her team to leave, one wonders what exactly HR and specifically the head of it, ie the person now replacing Ms Watts, actually did to correct her behaviour and make sure she lived by the values the company no doubt spouts but clearly doesn’t live by. Oh except after everyone has left and they absolutely HAVE to do something.
oh, and there is also this…. Perhaps this goes some way to explain why Ms Watts, being a Ms and not a Mr was hired in the first place..
During her years at Bain, Jayne Hrdlicka was instrumental in promoting women's leadership both within the firm and the business community. She helped to launch (with Chief Executive Women) an Australian version of a major research study on gender parity that Bain has conducted for some years.Although the gender mix is changing in many companies, it will never feel enough until there is more visibility, she says.
"Qantas domestic and international has 50 per cent [women in top roles], with Jetstar and Frequent Flyer CEOs. So from that perspective we are in good shape. But we have got a big job in Jetstar. Our business doesn't have good balance in the executive team but great women through the business. We have to create the opportunities."
also interesting article noting all the Bain connections of the current leadership group.
https://www.consultancy.com.au/news/...team-of-virgin
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Who give a flying F$&k what gender is in the role!! Best person for the job. I would hate being a women in this time, being promoted into senior roles then having to convince everyone it’s on merit and not your gender. I fly with females they’re pi$$ed as this current change is diluting the hard work they have done to get to where they are on their merit, not because of their gender.
Well, this is the problem. Now they promote based on Gender and not Merit, and what I have seen as of late is absolutely appalling, I find it hard to take many female managers seriously anymore as most of them got there based on their gender and are clearly way out of their depths. This is breeding resentment towards females in the workplace, this is doing a serious disservice to all females who have worked hard for their positions. I am also seeing many men walk away from the workforce because of this as there is clearly no progression for them, and all their hard work and experience means nothing and they are overlooked as they are the wrong gender. Many are either starting their own businesses or leaving altogether. Employers are going to have very serious problems in the coming years!
I agree with quotas in politics and think the LNP is just dumb for rejecting it because in that realm, it is not a highly technical and critical task that is being carried out but one where we would want the most diverse set of voices contribute to ensure all sides are covered BUT, when it's something like a highly technical business that requires serious knowledge of the operations because people's lives are in jeopardy, it has to be the best person for the job.
The answer here, to achieve some form of diversity, is to institute programs that feed the aviation sector to encourage women to participate.
In the example I cited above, it was my impression that it wouldn't matter which woman it was, as long as the successful applicant was a woman - I think any woman would feel that that is not how they would like to attain their job.
I agree with quotas in politics and think
All or none.
I reckon I'd settle for even 5% to be hired to drive the poo-mobile (apologies for a lack of a more correct term, but this job seems to be almost exclusively the realm of men for some reason)
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Hi,
Can anyone point me in the right direction with the schedule for future bid imports? Says a Memo will be issued at least 2 weeks prior yet hearing that there are imports the first Monday of each month for the foreseeable. Can any VA guys confirm this?
Thanks
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Can anyone point me in the right direction with the schedule for future bid imports? Says a Memo will be issued at least 2 weeks prior yet hearing that there are imports the first Monday of each month for the foreseeable. Can any VA guys confirm this?
Thanks
(EX VA. Inactive Pilot)