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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by mates rates
You don’t need EDTO for freighter operations
The new ETOPS rules are now applicable to:
Part 121
• All two-engine airplanes more than 60 minutes flying time from an adequate airport (at a one-engine-inoperative cruise speed under standard conditions in still air).
Join Date: May 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 185
EDTO routes often offer a time advantage, PER-MEL v.v. springs to mind. PAE was doing this for a time for QF but non-EDTO. Was this a possible factor in them losing that work?
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
you don’t need EDTO for freighter operations
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by down3gr33ns
EDTO routes often offer a time advantage, PER-MEL v.v. springs to mind. PAE was doing this for a time for QF but non-EDTO. Was this a possible factor in them losing that work?
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
Join Date: Sep 2009
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The QF A321 isn’t doing so great either right now. Not fit for purpose I think. Too fragile an aircraft for a freighter. QF are working their 737-400F’S pretty hard still and Airwork are rumoured to be looking to add more aircraft too.
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 305
Originally Posted by zanthrus
The QF A321 isn’t doing so great either right now. Not fit for purpose I think. Too fragile an aircraft for a freighter. QF are working their 737-400F’S pretty hard still and Airwork are rumoured to be looking to add more aircraft too.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
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Originally Posted by 717tech
Genuine question- What's the difference between freight vs PAX with regards to a "fragile" aircraft? It seems to do less sectors as a Freighter.
Then there's the floor- takes an absolute pounding, so the tougher the original, the less wear and tear on the P2F.
THEN there's the fact they tend to be old airframes. Low utilisation, so using an older, cheaper aircraft makes sense even if it uses more fuel- complex aircraft like A321s have a lot mor gizmos to age and fail at inconvenient times.
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: brisbane
Posts: 92
Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Well, for starters, there's that big hole cut in the side- This effects the torsional strength of the aircraft and freight conversions often end up with cracking in unexpected places. The lighter the original build, the more susceptible to this. 737 -800 are actually showing fatigue problems the venerable -400 isn't.
Then there's the floor- takes an absolute pounding, so the tougher the original, the less wear and tear on the P2F.
THEN there's the fact they tend to be old airframes. Low utilisation, so using an older, cheaper aircraft makes sense even if it uses more fuel- complex aircraft like A321s have a lot mor gizmos to age and fail at inconvenient times.
Then there's the floor- takes an absolute pounding, so the tougher the original, the less wear and tear on the P2F.
THEN there's the fact they tend to be old airframes. Low utilisation, so using an older, cheaper aircraft makes sense even if it uses more fuel- complex aircraft like A321s have a lot mor gizmos to age and fail at inconvenient times.
In regards to claims of torsional loads and lighter build compared to others, well those problems manifest after many thousands of hours not just a few months, so time will tell.
I can say that the build quality of the conversion is exceptional as airbus is a risk sharing partner with ST aerospace and wouldn’t allow anything less.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Perth
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Seems that there is a rush on to replace the previous capacity they had to PNG, Vanuatu and and Solomons using a French-registered A321P2F - https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defaul...ds-vanuatu.pdf
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: melbourne
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Originally Posted by ebt
Seems that there is a rush on to replace the previous capacity they had to PNG, Vanuatu and and Solomons using a French-registered A321P2F - https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defaul...ds-vanuatu.pdf
I was under the impression the qf freight 1 was the 1st 1 to be converted but guessing a few more have been done by now.
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: brisbane
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Originally Posted by blubak
Is there another 321p2f currently flying?
I was under the impression the qf freight 1 was the 1st 1 to be converted but guessing a few more have been done by now.
I was under the impression the qf freight 1 was the 1st 1 to be converted but guessing a few more have been done by now.
Both have a number currently in conversion, including an ex JQ aircraft. ST have converted a handful so far that are flying in the US and Europe.
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And now Pionair are throwing their hat into the ring, seeking allocations to fly BAe146 freighters to Vanuatu, New Cal, PNG and Solomon Islands: https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defaul...-june-2021.pdf.
