PAE
Join Date: May 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 188
EDTO routes often offer a time advantage, PER-MEL v.v. springs to mind. PAE was doing this for a time for QF but non-EDTO. Was this a possible factor in them losing that work?
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
you don’t need EDTO for freighter operations
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 128
Originally Posted by down3gr33ns
EDTO routes often offer a time advantage, PER-MEL v.v. springs to mind. PAE was doing this for a time for QF but non-EDTO. Was this a possible factor in them losing that work?
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
I think you’ll find the QF freighters are EDTO as are many other freighters operating in Australia. I can’t see the operators going to that expense if
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: space
Posts: 392
The QF A321 isn’t doing so great either right now. Not fit for purpose I think. Too fragile an aircraft for a freighter. QF are working their 737-400F’S pretty hard still and Airwork are rumoured to be looking to add more aircraft too.
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 320
Originally Posted by zanthrus
The QF A321 isn’t doing so great either right now. Not fit for purpose I think. Too fragile an aircraft for a freighter. QF are working their 737-400F’S pretty hard still and Airwork are rumoured to be looking to add more aircraft too.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Posts: 4,556
Originally Posted by 717tech
Genuine question- What's the difference between freight vs PAX with regards to a "fragile" aircraft? It seems to do less sectors as a Freighter.
Then there's the floor- takes an absolute pounding, so the tougher the original, the less wear and tear on the P2F.
THEN there's the fact they tend to be old airframes. Low utilisation, so using an older, cheaper aircraft makes sense even if it uses more fuel- complex aircraft like A321s have a lot mor gizmos to age and fail at inconvenient times.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Perth
Posts: 195
Seems that there is a rush on to replace the previous capacity they had to PNG, Vanuatu and and Solomons using a French-registered A321P2F - https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defaul...ds-vanuatu.pdf
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 128
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: melbourne
Posts: 652
Originally Posted by ebt
Seems that there is a rush on to replace the previous capacity they had to PNG, Vanuatu and and Solomons using a French-registered A321P2F - https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defaul...ds-vanuatu.pdf
I was under the impression the qf freight 1 was the 1st 1 to be converted but guessing a few more have been done by now.
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
Posts: 103
Originally Posted by blubak
Is there another 321p2f currently flying?
I was under the impression the qf freight 1 was the 1st 1 to be converted but guessing a few more have been done by now.
I was under the impression the qf freight 1 was the 1st 1 to be converted but guessing a few more have been done by now.
Both have a number currently in conversion, including an ex JQ aircraft. ST have converted a handful so far that are flying in the US and Europe.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Perth
Posts: 195
And now Pionair are throwing their hat into the ring, seeking allocations to fly BAe146 freighters to Vanuatu, New Cal, PNG and Solomon Islands: https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defaul...-june-2021.pdf.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 331
[QUOTE]Is the company still operating?/QUOTE]
Think not quite Liquidated.....yet, "just" under external administration....but aircraft - sold and gone, staff - gone, business??, business cred??
So TBM, in essence, yeah, may as well say liquidated for the life it has left.
Have to say though it was a beautiful freighter to see either parked or working on the ramp - Boeing used an artist to design that model for sure!!
Think not quite Liquidated.....yet, "just" under external administration....but aircraft - sold and gone, staff - gone, business??, business cred??
So TBM, in essence, yeah, may as well say liquidated for the life it has left.
Have to say though it was a beautiful freighter to see either parked or working on the ramp - Boeing used an artist to design that model for sure!!
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 128
[QUOTE=Square Bear;11166674]
Company: PACIFIC AIR EXPRESS AUSTRALIA PTY. LIMITED ACN: 074 265 553 Status: In Liquidation Secondary Status: Receiver & Manager Appointed
Is the company still operating?/QUOTE]
Think not quite Liquidated.....yet, "just" under external administration....but aircraft - sold and gone, staff - gone, business??, business cred??
So TBM, in essence, yeah, may as well say liquidated for the life it has left.
Have to say though it was a beautiful freighter to see either parked or working on the ramp - Boeing used an artist to design that model for sure!!
Think not quite Liquidated.....yet, "just" under external administration....but aircraft - sold and gone, staff - gone, business??, business cred??
So TBM, in essence, yeah, may as well say liquidated for the life it has left.
Have to say though it was a beautiful freighter to see either parked or working on the ramp - Boeing used an artist to design that model for sure!!
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 331
Company: PACIFIC AIR EXPRESS AUSTRALIA PTY. LIMITED ACN: 074 265 553 Status: In Liquidation Secondary Status: Receiver & Manager Appointed
For what its worth here is the listing on the ASIC website where google took me.
ASIC SEARCH - PAE
Name: PACIFIC AIR EXPRESS AUSTRALIA PTY. LIMITED ACN: 074 265 553 ABN: 26 074 265 553(External Link) Registration date: 5/06/1996 Next review date: 5/06/2022
Status: External Administration Type: Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares Locality of registered office: SYDNEY NSW 2000 Regulator: Australian Securities & Investments Commission.
And so with PAE in liquidation as you say, wouldn't that give employees access to the Governments Fair Entitlements Guarantee (if needed)?
