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Old 30th Apr 2021, 21:53
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Originally Posted by clark y View Post
Hey Auxtank, the use of the word CLOT in your mum's slogan is interesting. She must be quick witted.
Quicker than you evidently.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 22:46
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Originally Posted by EvaDestruction View Post
If it's not dangerous, why did a friend of a friend (here in the US) die 4 hours after injection? If it's not dangerous, why is it released (here in the US) under Emergency Use Authorization? If it's not dangerous, why did a Miami Beach doctor die 2 weeks after the shots of a strange blood disease? If it's not dangerous, why are there pregnant women in significant numbers losing their pregnancies?

Because this is not a true vaccine but instead gene therapy never tried on humans before, the short term effects are fairly minor compared to the potential long term effects. We are essentially walking in uncharted territory, as no humans have ever received such medical devices.

Again I pose the question: why should a person with a healthy immune system (like me) take an experimental and dangerous gene editing drug cocktail to supposedly (it doesn't) protect me from a virus that has a 99% survival rate?

That is a question you would rather not answer, and I certainly understand why.

A legislator in the state of Arizona, female last name Hernandez, took the series of shots and about 2 weeks later came down with a full blown infection with all the symptoms. Her story was covered by RT a few days ago.

Besides being dangerous and experimental, it doesn't work. There has never been a successful vaccination against coronavirus. In attempts to develop one, all the animals being tested died when infected.

I see no compelling need to take an experimental and dangerous drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate, a virus that has been blowing around this part of Florida for more than a year that never seemed to bother me. I won't be a crash test dummy for the pharmaceutical companies.

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I agree, I'll be giving it a few years at least until more data is gathered. Doesn't look like international travel from Australia will ramp up anytime in the foreseeable future... That's the drawcard for many people to get this "vaccine". Over the past month, many people who were going to get it when it was their turn are now saying they won't be now. So for people to be questioning it in relatively large numbers is telling...
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Old 1st May 2021, 00:28
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Originally Posted by EvaDestruction View Post
If it's not dangerous, why is it released (here in the US) under Emergency Use Authorization?
It isn't under an Emergency Authorisation in Australia. It was authorised after a complete assessment of data. It had to be given an expedited authorisation in the USA (safety tests were still completed however) as the virus was running rampant throughout the country. Killing up to 4000 per day.

If it's not dangerous, why did a Miami Beach doctor die 2 weeks after the shots of a strange blood disease?
He didn't. He passed away from natural causes, no proof the vaccine had a role.

If it's not dangerous, why are there pregnant women in significant numbers losing their pregnancies?
Because they aren't. Miscarriage is already quite common and no data the vaccine is increasing that rate.

Because this is not a true vaccine but instead gene therapy never tried on humans before
Vaccines aren't gene therapy. Even though the Covid vaccines aren't, Gene therapy in of itself is nothing to be afraid of, it is an exciting new way of combatting disease.

why should a person with a healthy immune system (like me) take an experimental and dangerous gene editing drug cocktail to supposedly (it doesn't) protect me from a virus that has a 99% survival rate?
Because the rate of death from vaccine is miniscule compare to the rate of death from Covid. Some facts. Risk of Covid death 5 times higher than vaccine for over 40s, 10 times higher for over 50s, 50 times higher for over 60s, 80 times higher for over 70s.

We've only one death in Australia that professionals have identified a link to the vaccine (that person had underlying conditions however). That's out of 2 million doses given. We have had about 30,000 Covid cases for 900 deaths. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the vaccine risk is virtually non existent compared to the infection risk.

That is a question you would rather not answer
I just did.

A legislator in the state of Arizona, female last name Hernandez, took the series of shots and about 2 weeks later came down with a full blown infection with all the symptoms. Her story was covered by RT a few days ago.
First off no one has ever claimed vaccines are 100% effective at stopping infection. They are effective at stopping severe disease, which is exactly what happened. The legislator you mentioned did not come down with a "full blown infection', as her fever only lasted a few hours. She has medical qualifications and acknowledges that her disease would have been worse without vaccination, and encourages people to get the jab.

Besides being dangerous and experimental, it doesn't work. There has never been a successful vaccination against coronavirus.
It works. Every scientific study produced shows the effectiveness of the vaccine. Cases cut by over 90%

I see no compelling need to take an experimental and dangerous drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate, a virus that has been blowing around this part of Florida for more than a year that never seemed to bother me. .
Florida - 2.2 million cases, 35,000 deaths.
Australia - 30,000 cases, 900 dead.
Florida even has a lower population than Australia.

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Old 1st May 2021, 01:38
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Cannot wait until airlines have a ‘no jab no job’ policy. See how many miraculously change their minds when their job is on the line.

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Old 1st May 2021, 04:16
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng View Post
Cannot wait until airlines have a ‘no jab no job’ policy. See how many miraculously change their minds when their job is on the line.
Watch the jobseeker queue grow ...
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Old 1st May 2021, 05:56
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Originally Posted by JJ 789 View Post
Watch the jobseeker queue grow ...
The maximum Jobseeker payment is currently $330pw, or $17,000 pa.

So who's going to choose that option over a vaccine that gives 1 or 2 out of a million clotting issues, almost all with prior underlying conditions?
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Old 1st May 2021, 07:16
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What are the latest stats? One elderly covid death year to date in Australia, 2 vaccine deaths...
enough said
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Old 1st May 2021, 11:35
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Dr. Dre

I'm glad things are coming up roses Down Under. And I'm glad you have a nice pair of Rose Colored Glasses on to view the world around you.

In the US and the rest of the world, they've been issued under EUA because there were no human tests done on them. Rather, the human tests are being done on a massive scale, on the public. As of about 3 weeks ago here in the US, more than half the population, 175 million out of 330, have been jabbed. Because no such gene-editing drugs have ever been administered to humans before, we are in uncharted territory. We have nothing to go on.

The few animal tests done with the drugs here in the US were done only on rats, and they quickly noticed that the pregnant rats lost their pregnancies. Apparently these dangerous cocktails have a strong influence on the placenta, as the same thing has happened here in the US to pregnant women, they lost their pregnancies.

So keep those Rose Colored Glasses fixed firmly to your face, because in the next 6 months or so it's very likely the stuff will be hitting the fan.

Call me cynical, but I don't see the advantage to taking a dangerous experimental shot to supposedly protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate. It doesn't make sense to me.

To Australopithecus, I'm sorry I rained on your parade. Life can be cruel you know, and too many times the bloody truth can be painful.
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Old 1st May 2021, 12:19
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Originally Posted by EvaDestruction View Post
Dr. Dre

I'm glad things are coming up roses Down Under. And I'm glad you have a nice pair of Rose Colored Glasses on to view the world around you.

In the US and the rest of the world, they've been issued under EUA because there were no human tests done on them. Rather, the human tests are being done on a massive scale, on the public. As of about 3 weeks ago here in the US, more than half the population, 175 million out of 330, have been jabbed. Because no such gene-editing drugs have ever been administered to humans before, we are in uncharted territory. We have nothing to go on.

The few animal tests done with the drugs here in the US were done only on rats, and they quickly noticed that the pregnant rats lost their pregnancies. Apparently these dangerous cocktails have a strong influence on the placenta, as the same thing has happened here in the US to pregnant women, they lost their pregnancies.

So keep those Rose Colored Glasses fixed firmly to your face, because in the next 6 months or so it's very likely the stuff will be hitting the fan.

Call me cynical, but I don't see the advantage to taking a dangerous experimental shot to supposedly protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate. It doesn't make sense to me.

To Australopithecus, I'm sorry I rained on your parade. Life can be cruel you know, and too many times the bloody truth can be painful.
Where is it shown that the vaccine alters your genes. I mean real proof. Not social media rubbish?
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Old 1st May 2021, 12:59
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EvaDestruction, just let them be...

They took the shot(s), some (if not most) of them for reasons, and there is no way back.

They won't allow any objective talk about it anymore, they're not even able to admit that clinical trials are still ongoing, one here believes phase 3 is designed only to follow up on antibodies and booster requirements (!).
Duty done, they now feel like being the world's savers and believe those not following should be put aside, one here even can't wait for airlines "no jab-no job" policies (!).

Living with and spreading fear of the virus, not a single touch of humility, no rationale thinking, not promoting precaution, wishing division...
I'm afraid we can only share our diverging opinion with those still hesitating.

I think people should do their homework better. Reading the manufacturers product information and the given emergency use (US) / conditional marketing (EU) authorisations should already be enough to highlight multiple unanswered questions regarding those products. The only truth is that we don't know much, even they (manufacturers/experts/authorities) don't know much. All theories and possible outcomes are to be found online, all defended by very competent individuals.

So no rush for me, until we get more objective data regarding those vaccines, I'll stick with my naturally gained immunity.

Enjoy Florida's freedom!

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Old 1st May 2021, 14:29
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SOPS

I'm sure you prefer to do your own thinking, and I'm happy to help provide you sources of knowledge on this matter.



DR. RYAN COLE: COVID-19, MRNA BIOWEAPON, IVERMECTIN, & VITAMIN D – The Phaser

Ryan Cole will help inform you, and there is also Dr. David E. Martin and many other physicians and healthcare scientists who can help explain how and why this is not a conventional vaccine we're dealing with. It is an unapproved, never before used on humans, cocktail of drugs.

Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.

Best of luck in your search for knowledge.

Here is another site that might help. Physical Therapist Dies Two Days After Getting COVID-19 Shot in Indiana - The Vaccine Reaction
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The previous poster was right. We need an "ignore the idiot" button.
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Old 1st May 2021, 15:27
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Originally Posted by EvaDestruction View Post
SOPS

I'm sure you prefer to do your own thinking, and I'm happy to help provide you sources of knowledge on this matter.

DR. RYAN COLE: COVID-19, MRNA BIOWEAPON, IVERMECTIN, & VITAMIN D – The Phaser

Ryan Cole will help inform you, and there is also Dr. David E. Martin and many other physicians and healthcare scientists who can help explain how and why this is not a conventional vaccine we're dealing with. It is an unapproved, never before used on humans, cocktail of drugs.

Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.

Best of luck in your search for knowledge.

Here is another site that might help.
The Coroner's report on the Physical Therapist's death revealed she had diabetes and congestive heart disease.

Ryan Cole is a quack who has been frequently debunked.

David E Martin is a quack and a conspiracy theorist.

The Phaser and Vaccine Reaction are anti-vaxxer propaganda promotion sites.

You need to stop posting this dangerous rubbish.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 00:22
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We have been offered the Pfizer vaccine through work, under 1b. This is extended to my wife and two young adult children. All this information about clots and medical issues with CASA etc. really does have me second guessing whether I should subject my family and myself to possible problems.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 00:29
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
The Coroner's report on the Physical Therapist's death revealed she had diabetes and congestive heart disease.

Ryan Cole is a quack who has been frequently debunked.

David E Martin is a quack and a conspiracy theorist.

The Phaser and Vaccine Reaction are anti-vaxxer propaganda promotion sites.

You need to stop posting this dangerous rubbish.
Dre the problem is your "fact checker" Flora Teoh "debunking" someone is political in itself. She's from a wealthy Chinese family and has ties to many hard left political outlets and so called authorities. Her job literally is to monitor and control political discourse related to science.
She's not a medical Doctor and not qualified any more than anyone else to make assertive statements or interpretations on data. Health feedback.org claiming they are non partisan is laughable.

At this point all that's going on here is people pointing to the team they prefer - so lets stop pretending you're posting factual information over someone else, and drop this pathetic argument from authority fallacy.


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Old 2nd May 2021, 02:28
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The Coroner's report on the Physical Therapist's death revealed she had diabetes and congestive heart disease.
Are you suggesting that she died because of her underlying conditions?
If yes, then I suggest to also remove all those who had underlying conditions from Covid-19 death count statistics.
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Dre the problem is your "fact checker" Flora Teoh "debunking" someone is political in itself. She's from a wealthy Chinese family and has ties to many hard left political outlets and so called authorities. Her job literally is to monitor and control political discourse related to science.
She's not a medical Doctor and not qualified any more than anyone else to make assertive statements or interpretations on data. Health feedback.org claiming they are non partisan is laughable.

At this point all that's going on here is people pointing to the team they prefer - so lets stop pretending you're posting factual information over someone else, and drop this pathetic argument from authority fallacy.
She's a part of IFCN. Worked for organisations that have received funding in part from Bill Gates, The WHO, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, a Singaporean technical university and the Singaporean Science Department. I guess in a conspiracy theorist's mind that makes her "far left". I guess in an anti-vaxxer's mind the opinions of anyone associated with government or or universities or who has been involved with research funded in part by big businesses should be excluded as they're "far left". That would basically rule out every legitimate scientist, and only leave the "truth tellers" huh?

Well let's see who else thinks Ryan Cole (a guy who specialises in skin conditions) and David E Martin (a financier and economist) are quacks?

Chief Medical Officer at a Hospital who's treated Covid patients

Multiple Infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists

Multiple professors and law specialists who debunk the claim the virus was "patented"

Stop pretending it's a 50/50 "both sides are equal" argument. There are legitimate medical and scientific voices. And there are quacks.

The "argument from authority" logical fallacy is actually what the anti-vaxxers do. Take the opinions of a guy who diagnoses skin conditions and a economist over the overwhelming body of epidemiology and infectious disease expertise.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 02:58
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Originally Posted by Servo View Post
We have been offered the Pfizer vaccine through work, under 1b. This is extended to my wife and two young adult children. All this information about clots and medical issues with CASA etc. really does have me second guessing whether I should subject my family and myself to possible problems.
Facts:

2.2 million doses administered Australia.

Pfizer negative reactions
One case of anaphylaxis in a person with a history of anaphylaxis
One case of a blood clot in a man with a history of DVT.

AZ negative reactions
4 cases of non fatal clots, link to vaccine or underlying conditions undetermined
2 cases of fatal clots in a person with diabetes and the second case where the TGA determined no link between vaccine and clots (up to 50 people per day report to Emergency Rooms in Australia with serious blood clots)

Out of 2.2 million vaccines, the majority of which were AZ.

So no deaths due to AZ proven to been caused by the vaccine in those without underlying conditions, and in those with underlying conditions it's about 1 in a million, so less chance than the risk of dying in a car crash, drowning, falling off a ladder, being hit by lightning or being murdered.

And you're eligible for the other one anyway.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 03:39
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There needs to be thumbs up and thumbs down reaction buttons to posts. Dr Dre, 👍🏽 from me.
Anti-vaxxers, and conspiracy theorists in general, can’t be reasoned with.
Here’s an interesting podcast which was recorded pre-covid, figure out which side of the fence you sit on: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dfqn
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Old 2nd May 2021, 04:50
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
She's a part of IFCN. Worked for organisations that have received funding in part from Bill Gates, The WHO, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, a Singaporean technical university and the Singaporean Science Department. I guess in a conspiracy theorist's mind that makes her "far left". I guess in an anti-vaxxer's mind the opinions of anyone associated with government or or universities or who has been involved with research funded in part by big businesses should be excluded as they're "far left". That would basically rule out every legitimate scientist, and only leave the "truth tellers" huh?
See the problem is you keep quoting these references like it legitimizes or non politicizes what she writes. I can at least see that politics can be influencing this - you and your bias can't - yet you keep posting like its fact.

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Stop pretending it's a 50/50 "both sides are equal" argument. There are legitimate medical and scientific voices. And there are quacks.

The "argument from authority" logical fallacy is actually what the anti-vaxxers do. Take the opinions of a guy who diagnoses skin conditions and a economist over the overwhelming body of epidemiology and infectious disease expertise.
Why do you keep trying to conflate questions or contradictory evidence as "anti vaxx" and shut down conversation? It's intellectually lazy and a standard identity politics crap that's prolific these days. Do you genuinely believe people can't possibly hold a position that vaccines are a valid scientific process yet have concerns about a new one?

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