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Old 4th Apr 2021, 13:55
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Originally Posted by lc_461 View Post
Raises the point - can 'militant' states like WA go against the Commonwealth in the opening of their federal border? Eg Commonwealth removes restrictions on international travel, can WA refuse to allow entry into PER via that route?
Yes. s92 of the Constitution guarantees free trade and freedom of movement between the States - however, the same provision exists in the United States' Constitution on which ours is heavily based (because there were no other notionally English speaking federations around at the time except the USA) as does another provision taken from the US Constitution, that being that the Commonwealth shall ensure that every State gives "full faith and credit" to the laws, acts and regulations and public records of every other State".

I believe the 'full faith and credit' clause (s118) as it is called, means that every other State and the Commonwealth must accept and give full faith and credit to acts, laws and regulations that a State adopts in the interests, in this case, of public health which is well within the purview of State powers.

This is why Clive was never going to win his stupid case, because if WA passed a law imposing a tariff on movement of persons and goods into WA, then that would be a clear breach of s92 and unconstitutional because trade and commerce is not a State power as the Constitution bars any interference with it. BUT, s118 is what allows the State(s) to impose entry restrictions based on laws and regulations that they have the Constitutional power to enact and enforce.

Long explanation I know but that's my understanding of why the States can continue to impose these restrictions.

*EDIT*

I just re-read your question - interesting - but I think the answer is still yes. WA refused to let a ship dock at Fremantle at the beginning of the crisis. I believe refusal of landing would come within the State's rights - it is probably one for a constitutional expert though because external affairs is a Commonwealth responsibility which I would suggest includes the regulation of shipping etc (as aviation in the sense of powered flight didn't exist when the constitution was written). The Commonwealth has the power to regulate and make laws for emigration, immigration and - I think it actually says - "the naturalisation of aliens". But I would think that just means they can make laws for it - it doesn't mean they can force a State to accept a vessel if they don't want to - just as they can't force WA, SA and Queensland to all adopt Standard Gauge for all their railways.

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Old 4th Apr 2021, 21:54
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76 View Post
Andrew David a few town halls ago. This is the realistic schedule come October. Ie services flown not capacity expected.
Big words from the little 'been everywhere' man.
Did he thank everybody before he spoke🤭
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 22:14
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I’d say most would burn it in a heartbeat!
Agreed.

After listening to a number of webinars, it’s clear that this situation is taking a considerable mental toll on some.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 22:16
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Did he thank everybody before he spoke🤭
Thanks!
Thatís a very good question.
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 11:21
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Exclamation

Originally Posted by lc_461 View Post
Raises the point - can 'militant' states like WA go against the Commonwealth in the opening of their federal border? Eg Commonwealth removes restrictions on international travel, can WA refuse to allow entry into PER via that route?
Whatever the technical and legal answer may be, the "practical" answer is Yes.

"All persons entering WA must quarantine at an approved facility, currently the only approved facility is at Ginbata Airport GBW / YGIA."

Followed by....

"Persons must pay the cost of 14 days tent quarantine, currently at $1,000 / day."

And if airlines didn't get the hint.......

"This also applies to all airline crew but due to the additional risk all airline crew must quarantine for 28 days"

As my Papa says, "There's more than one way to skin a cat".

TTS
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 23:22
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Was up at Tamworth and the talk is that they are bringing in overseas ( Asian ) pilots as FOs on the Dash using 457 visas.
I was working as a builders labourer ( gratis ) during the full lockdowns for my son in laws new house build and the other builders labourer was an Emirates 380 FO. He was a very hard worker and I am sure would have taken any aviation job going after his Emirates stand down.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 23:54
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Originally Posted by pistonpuffer View Post
Was up at Tamworth and the talk is that they are bringing in overseas ( Asian ) pilots as FOs on the Dash using 457 visas.
I was working as a builders labourer ( gratis ) during the full lockdowns for my son in laws new house build and the other builders labourer was an Emirates 380 FO. He was a very hard worker and I am sure would have taken any aviation job going after his Emirates stand down.
In regards to bringing in 457 visas but Iím sorry what a load of crap.

There is absolutely no talk of that happening. Recruitment is planned for later this year and most likely will be to fill in MEL and SYD spots initially.

There are plenty of locals who would be more than suitable. QLink will also most likely issue an internal EOI first, just like NJS and Network have done.

There is also bound to be a few cadets from the QFPP academy who are due to finish soon and those who have made it through the selection process could possibly be offered a spot.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 01:20
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An EOI for dash spots in ML and SY has already gone out to Jetstar Wide-body pilots.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 04:10
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Don't totally understand, are you saying that will not happen?
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 21:16
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Originally Posted by pistonpuffer View Post
Don't totally understand, are you saying that will not happen?

Correct...that will not happen.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 19:31
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Rumours circulating that an EOI is imminent for 787 & 330 SOís to return from LWOP early.

747 RIN completed with ground schools scheduled for next month.

All who took LWOP will be offered to return prior to end of year.

With a mix of repat and potential travel bubbles, all are required to meet the demand
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 22:45
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Bring Ďem back and CR them!
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 22:48
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Release from Qantas this morning.

https://cdn-api.markitdigital.com/ap...jW6FG0Biigg3B3
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 23:05
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
Things are looking better every day.

Stay positive folks - don’t let the negative Nancy’s on here stifle your optimism.

edit: link changed - https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...gathers-speed/

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Old 15th Apr 2021, 02:50
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
This is what that URL is giving me{
"error": {
"code": "401",
"message": "Invalid access token"
}
}

Is this what your link is supposed to give:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...gathers-speed/
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 03:55
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
This is what that URL is giving me{
"error": {
"code": "401",
"message": "Invalid access token"
}
}

Is this what your link is supposed to give:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...gathers-speed/
sorry about that.

try this

QANTAS GROUP RECOVERY GATHERS SPEED
• Group Domestic capacity increasing beyond previous estimates to reach 90 per cent of pre-COVID levels in Q4 FY21; Jetstar to exceed 100 per cent due to strong leisure demand.
• All Qantas and Jetstar domestic crew now back at work.
• Recovery strategy puts short term focus on cash positive flying over profit margins – meaning more low
fares to help drive demand.
• Continuing to target resumption of rest of international network from late October; continued flexibility
for customers.
• Premium international lounges in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane to reopen.
• New deal signed with Accor

https://investor.qantas.com/Download...5/02363725.pdf
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 00:20
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And yet:
Covid-19: Australia will have 1000 cases a week if borders are opened, Scott Morrison warns
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison says there would be at least 1000 coronavirus cases in Australia every week if the international borders were to open, even when vulnerable people are vaccinated.
Morrison was asked by Perth radio 6PR to clarify Federal Health Minister Greg Huntís comments earlier this week that international travel could remain off-limits even if the entire population is vaccinated.
The Prime Minister also laid out future plans to allow Australians to travel overseas for business and funerals and potentially quarantine at home, before allowing mass travel again.
...
Asked if that meant the entire world would need to be vaccinated before Australia could reopen, Morrison said it was a ďmoving situationĒ.
ďWe canít control what is happening in the rest of the world,Ē he said, adding that quarantine-free travel had already opened to New Zealand.

He said work was underway to open a travel bubble with Singapore, but ruled out similar pathways for Europe, the United States, India, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea and other countries with large outbreaks.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...morrison-warns

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Old 16th Apr 2021, 01:29
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I think the point that ScoMo is trying to make, is that even with 1000 cases a week, it will result in minimal deaths, assuming the vulnerable are vaccinated.

We need the media to report deaths or serious illness, not cases. Zero cases forever is fantasy land!

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Old 16th Apr 2021, 01:58
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
I think the point that ScoMo is trying to make, is that even with 1000 cases a week, it will result in minimal deaths, assuming the vulnerable are vaccinated.

We need the media to report deaths or serious illness, not cases. Zero cases forever is fantasy land!
I donít think it refers to deaths at all.......but draw your own conclusions!
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 03:49
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
I think the point that ScoMo is trying to make, is that even with 1000 cases a week, it will result in minimal deaths, assuming the vulnerable are vaccinated.

We need the media to report deaths or serious illness, not cases. Zero cases forever is fantasy land!

And further to this, what he is trying to say is that we canít have those case numbers if State Premiers continue carrying on and locking borders at the sound of someone sneezing.

Common sense would say if your most vulnerable are vaccinated, and state premiers agree not to close borders when cases emerge, then you can open up flying from International destinations in a controlled way (ie from permitted countries and to those who have been vaccinated).

But common sense ainít all that common amongst our so called political Ďleadersí.
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