Qantas...Post COVID
Question is how long can QF international survive? If this looks like it’s going to go on for a few years then AJ and shareholders won’t want the rest of the group to spend a cent propping up international. The government may seriously have to look at some kind of arrangement to prop it up if it is to survive
The other option is to let it fail and that would be no good for any Australian.
The other option is to let it fail and that would be no good for any Australian.
Substitute QF with any longhaul airline code to get a better answer
If only it was so easy. Our industrial laws don’t allow for what you propose. Besides which, Qantas (Mainline) is one company - no such thing as voluntary administration on a departmental basis.
the media ask for a GUARANTEE the answer has to be NO.
His answer of course made headlines with all the usual BS...
Good point...perhaps I got sucked in by the headline along with everyone else! I do feel the rhetoric has changed though - because they have stuffed the vaccine rollout they are becoming more gun shy about opening up.
Question is how long can QF international survive? If this looks like it’s going to go on for a few years then AJ and shareholders won’t want the rest of the group to spend a cent propping up international. The government may seriously have to look at some kind of arrangement to prop it up if it is to survive
The other option is to let it fail and that would be no good for any Australian.
The other option is to let it fail and that would be no good for any Australian.
As long as things don’t go backwards but continue a slow pace forward, there would be no reason to get rid of International. The 787 and A330 flying is only going to increase and they have the option to use them domestically as well.
Another round of VR would have a good take up I would think.
No VR on the horizon for now
Nunc est bibendum
Borders opening is ‘when’, not ‘if’ and it’ll be well before the end of next year.
I reckon when they hit the 60% mark they’ll set a date 6 months in the future beyond that and tell the other 40% of the population they have that long to be vaccinated because after that the borders are open.
I also reckon we may have a phased start up. Singapore and Japan could be by years end or potentially earlier- especially in Singapore’s case. My guess is the borders to the USA will be opening around March/ April next year. The UK if they end up with everyone vaccinated and nil transmission could end up open by this Christmas with some minor restrictions for them to isolate upon arrival for a few days until negative test is confirmed. Manila perhaps not for a couple of years.
Depends a bit on how successful the vaccine is in stopping transmission. If it significantly decreases it AND it stops severe Covid AND most of the populations is vaccinated, why would there be any restrictions at all?
As to QF crew numbers, I reckon QF have worked out how to do the minimum and how to hibernate everything. The scenario that is probably giving them nightmares at the moment is if demand roars back. With long lead times required for the A380 to get aeroplanes and crew up to speed it’d take 12 months plus to get all 12 jets back in the air. I reckon they could do 3-4 in four months. 6 Jets in about 9 months. The remaining six would probably take another 6 months on top of that.
I reckon when they hit the 60% mark they’ll set a date 6 months in the future beyond that and tell the other 40% of the population they have that long to be vaccinated because after that the borders are open.
I also reckon we may have a phased start up. Singapore and Japan could be by years end or potentially earlier- especially in Singapore’s case. My guess is the borders to the USA will be opening around March/ April next year. The UK if they end up with everyone vaccinated and nil transmission could end up open by this Christmas with some minor restrictions for them to isolate upon arrival for a few days until negative test is confirmed. Manila perhaps not for a couple of years.
Depends a bit on how successful the vaccine is in stopping transmission. If it significantly decreases it AND it stops severe Covid AND most of the populations is vaccinated, why would there be any restrictions at all?
As to QF crew numbers, I reckon QF have worked out how to do the minimum and how to hibernate everything. The scenario that is probably giving them nightmares at the moment is if demand roars back. With long lead times required for the A380 to get aeroplanes and crew up to speed it’d take 12 months plus to get all 12 jets back in the air. I reckon they could do 3-4 in four months. 6 Jets in about 9 months. The remaining six would probably take another 6 months on top of that.
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The Union is completely lame. We didn’t use the power of collective bargaining when we had it. We allowed the company to bypass the Union entirely in the last EBA vote.
The company ignored the Union when we had something to bargain with. Why on earth would the company listen to them when we have absolutely nothing to bargain with? They aren’t even pursuing EBA variations anymore.
The company ignored the Union when we had something to bargain with. Why on earth would the company listen to them when we have absolutely nothing to bargain with? They aren’t even pursuing EBA variations anymore.
Does anyone know what the ‘new’ AIPA execs position is on 380 crew? QF will not deviate from their
position, that being the trigger for 380 crew to be paid is when the 380 is back, ie Nov 2023. Understandably, there are 380 crew pretty annoyed about this, and as one caller put it on the last webinar, this is a ‘seniority based award’. I might have mis interpreted his position, but the assertion that we are all ‘LH pilots’ seemed to me like a question of ‘why can’t we the senior crew take the seats of those the junior crew’. Where does AIPA stand on this? For all the talk by the G20 of a lack of transparency from the previous exec, I can’t say I’m at all impressed with the new regime. TBH on on the edge of leaving AIPA. Anecdotally I’m told there is still some work going on to see if it is legally possible to bump junior crew. I hope this is incorrect, but for all their talk, I find their transparency completely non existent! Anyone?
position, that being the trigger for 380 crew to be paid is when the 380 is back, ie Nov 2023. Understandably, there are 380 crew pretty annoyed about this, and as one caller put it on the last webinar, this is a ‘seniority based award’. I might have mis interpreted his position, but the assertion that we are all ‘LH pilots’ seemed to me like a question of ‘why can’t we the senior crew take the seats of those the junior crew’. Where does AIPA stand on this? For all the talk by the G20 of a lack of transparency from the previous exec, I can’t say I’m at all impressed with the new regime. TBH on on the edge of leaving AIPA. Anecdotally I’m told there is still some work going on to see if it is legally possible to bump junior crew. I hope this is incorrect, but for all their talk, I find their transparency completely non existent! Anyone?
Come the time when slots are advertised, and they will, A380 crew have every right to bid for them. In most cases their seniority will win them the slot. The company cannot knock them back.....it’s the award, sorry EA.
How can the company argue no useful work in that case?
I almost feel guilty for feeling this way about AIPA as I know there are some fantastic people who really do work hard for others to their own detriment. However I can’t help feel like it is back to being a LH pilots union.
re bidding for slots, I agree. However it is unlikely the trigger for SH training will be met anytime soon. I’m told hours nextbrister vary between bases from mid 50’s. There is also no requirement for the company to allow LH crew to bid back for anything that isn’t a promotion. I can’t see them allowing a back bid if they truly believe the 380 will be needed, due to cascading training etc.
this is just a sh$t sandwich.
re bidding for slots, I agree. However it is unlikely the trigger for SH training will be met anytime soon. I’m told hours nextbrister vary between bases from mid 50’s. There is also no requirement for the company to allow LH crew to bid back for anything that isn’t a promotion. I can’t see them allowing a back bid if they truly believe the 380 will be needed, due to cascading training etc.
this is just a sh$t sandwich.
Nunc est bibendum
Associate membership available for those not drawing an income from QF. $20/ month. I appreciate that for some even this is a bridge too far at the moment.
So I guess the academy needs more students? Nobody will sign up if they don't think there is Qantas group job at the end.
I'm also guessing they will hire based on what looks good for PR purposes?
I'm also guessing they will hire based on what looks good for PR purposes?