Jetstar and Ballina again

[LostontheLOC]

Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was

Read post #133

Not exactly a reputable source.. 😂😂

[Lookleft]

Maybe, or maybe I am going to apply some common-sense to grasping claim...

Common sense from someone who can't even string 9 words together in a coherent sentence?

Where on earth did you get you information traffic?

You seem however to manage ok with 5 words describing yourself.
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Not exactly a reputable source..

[10JQKA]

Originally Posted by Gentle_flyer

triadic,

Re Ballina, my initial review, and it could be flawed, ie aerodrome list (Plan B) Proposed C 180 - 8500, E 8500 - 6500, G 6500 - 0007, Original C 180 - 8500, G 8500 - 0007,

No mention of SAFIS anymore?

If no SAFIS and only E inserted from 8500 to 6500 then Plan B changes for Ballina will be earth shatteringly.............................

.........Microscopic!

As I stated on the other thread Plan A - Fantasy Plan B - Confidence Trick

Airservices = Chutzpah!

New SFIS info here,...

https://engage.airservicesaustralia....qanda#tool_tab

[roundsounds]

Originally Posted by Roller Merlin

Portable and cheap ADSB traffic systems for VFR were approved in July 2020, so the game has changed. A Sky Echo ADSB in/out VFR box is the size of a fag packet, mounts on the window of any lighty and costs $900 - every user and other IFR can see each other out to 40miles. These incidents would virtually stop overnight if CASA were to mandate ADSB in CTAFs where RPT operate.

Technology should only be used to support a decent lookout scan and Situational Awareness, in VMC Alerted, see and avoid is required to prevent collisions. I fear these skills are not being developed as people rely more and more on technology. This recent accident in the USA highlights midair’s still occur within controlled airspace and I’m sure the Cirrus would have been equipped with the latest tech.
Midair collision USA

[maggot]

See and avoid is a pretty ridiculous concept out of the circuit in a jet.

[Australopithecus]

Watch a video sometime of a jet crew below say 5,000’ and see how much free time they have to look out of the window. I really am quite invested and eager to see all traffic relevant to me, but I often don’t.

[Chronic Snoozer]

Originally Posted by Australopithecus

Watch a video sometime of a jet crew below say 5,000’ and see how much free time they have to look out of the window. I really am quite invested and eager to see all traffic relevant to me, but I often don’t.

...and a small, restricted view window at that!

[Australopithecus]

Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer

...and a small, restricted view window at that!

Full of bug smears and HUD symbols too. Its just a ludicrous situation invented in an earlier, more innocent era.

[Capn Bloggs]

Originally Posted by roundsounds

This recent accident in the USA highlights midair’s still occur within controlled airspace and I’m sure the Cirrus would have been equipped with the latest tech.

And he was quite obviously seeing and avoiding the Cessna he was following, not the following Metroliner that he hit, side on while turning belly-up to it. He was also turning base, in a high-workload environment. One can only do so much. Poor communications in a Class D "traffic only" environment; the Cirrus pilot said "traffic sighted". Which traffic?

[Lookleft]

Directed traffic, see and avoid, what could possibly go wrong. Well now we have an example. Lets hope that an A320 or 737 can survive the impact that the Metro did.

[Capn Bloggs]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

Directed traffic, see and avoid, what could possibly go wrong. Well now we have an example.

LL, not we don't. There was no Directed Traffic given to the Metro. This scenario relied solely on the SR22 pilot. As the Metro pilot, would you have proceeded down final knowing that there was an aeroplane on base, possibly belly-up to you, which you couldn't see? Of course not. ATC should have, but apparently didn't, pass DTI to the Metro about the SR22. Yank/ICAO Class D is Clayton's controlled airspace.

[Lead Balloon]

SFIS will save you!

(I have no idea what deep insights the Santa Fe Indian School has about airspace categorisation and service provision, but I'll trust Airservices and CASA on this one. Or maybe it's the Southern Forests Irrigation Scheme...)

[Lookleft]

Bloggsy I didn't say that the Metro got DTI, but the SR22 was given traffic on the 172. I can't answer what the Metro pilot was thinking other than he thought he had an engine failure.

[Capn Bloggs]

LL, what I was getting at was that DTI will/should be given to both parties. In this case, it wasn't.

[cogwheel]

Word is that the proposed SFIS is in the bin for a bit longer. Obviously ASA don't want the expense of a tower. I don't believe the SFIS as proposed will work?

[10JQKA]

Cogwheel, yeah I think most thought 17 June was never possible. Any info on rough new date if at all ?

[cogwheel]

10J.... Any date this year would be a stretch of a long bow, but maybe ASA don't have a long bow? As you would know consultation (in AvSEF) still needs to take place and a safety case provided to industry and then when agreed (?) upon an AIP SUP needs to be drafted and approved by CASA and then distributed, not only to those near BNA/MNG but to all that may use/transit that airspace, followed by an education program. ASA have not yet demonstrated any professionalism in this proposal and certainly no transparency in their thinking. Maybe it is time to think outside the box and for ASA to seek outside input?
Of course, if there is political pressure, anything is possible.

[triadic]

See this link for further info: https://consultation.casa.gov.au/sta...eq-congestion/

[10JQKA]

https://engage.airservicesaustralia....mation-service

Draft AIP-SUP on SAFIS now in above link.

[10JQKA]

https://engage.airservicesaustralia....mation-service

Updated info on BNA SAFIS on portal, August 12 is now target date, they are running webex online consultation forums every week until then.