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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 08:41
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"The case under investigation is a healthcare worker from western Sydney who is involved in the transfer of patients.

This case was involved in transporting several patients between hospitals, homes and care facilities. Those patients and other contacts are being urgently contacted, instructed to isolate and tested. Investigations into the source of the case are ongoing.

An additional case linked to this healthcare professional has been identified since 8pm last night and will be included in tomorrow’s numbers"


Guess if there are those that are suggesting that we force Aussie based aircrew in Hotel Quarantine, we better start doing the same to the Health Care industry......and in my humble opinion the Health Care is a greater threat the fellow Australian than Aircrew when it comes to Covid transfer...and the Police that check numerous aircrew, and the Military and the Fireys etc etc etc

But really, how about a bit of practicality.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 12:17
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
Yes the consequence of that scenario is the same.
But not the risk.
To be more precise, the formula is risk = likelihood x consequence

It’s an important equation to look at given the way Australia is handling this pandemic. There appears to be absolutely zero appetite for risk at all levels of Government and amongst the general public. And unfortunately Aviation is paying the greatest price so that rogue State Premiers can secure another term.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 00:33
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Well thats all been cleared up, the driver of the international patients has the Avalon cluster of covid. Hopefully all QF international crew are forced to go to Howard Springs now also, rubbish they're allowed to on travel to Sydney on a dom flight.
try that on, and there won’t be any repatriation flights.

if QF want to run flights out of Darwin, then they should be providing the quarantine there for crew. I agree about not travelling on domestic flights.
‘Forcing’ your colleagues into quarantine at HWS is not the solution. Providing a quarantine location (AFL anyone?) at the point of departure and arrival is.

there should however be no crew arrivals from high risk places like the US. All of that flying should be done by QF, where the governments can have more control over their movements and risk exposure. Like I said, though, the tighter the restrictions the less likelihood anyone will sign up. There is a workable solution. Problem is no one wants to pay for it. Everyone is looking to blame crew for this. They should be blaming those two self entitled boomers
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 01:12
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Here is a link regarding a Kiwi pilot in Taiwan allegedly doing the wrong thing. There is a LOT more to the story if you care to dig it up. Government decisions have to cater for the lowest common denominator and unfortunately sometimes that is within our own profession.


https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4084322

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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 02:35
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate View Post
try that on, and there won’t be any repatriation flights.

if QF want to run flights out of Darwin, then they should be providing the quarantine there for crew. I agree about not travelling on domestic flights.
‘Forcing’ your colleagues into quarantine at HWS is not the solution. Providing a quarantine location (AFL anyone?) at the point of departure and arrival is.

there should however be no crew arrivals from high risk places like the US. All of that flying should be done by QF, where the governments can have more control over their movements and risk exposure. Like I said, though, the tighter the restrictions the less likelihood anyone will sign up. There is a workable solution. Problem is no one wants to pay for it. Everyone is looking to blame crew for this. They should be blaming those two self entitled boomers
Infected crew member just travelled domestically DRW-SYD after flying in from Paris......Really need to quarantine at port of arrival. Or QF should charter a flight for crew members to get home.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 03:35
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
Infected crew member just travelled domestically DRW-SYD after flying in from Paris......Really need to quarantine at port of arrival. Or QF should charter a flight for crew members to get home.
six weeks on, four weeks off, paid duty time for every day of the six weeks, last two weeks are for quarantine before going home. Quarantine in hotel between trips and for final two weeks. Effectively get paid ten weeks for six weeks work. Why is it so hard?
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 04:15
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Originally Posted by Potsie Weber View Post
six weeks on, four weeks off, paid duty time for every day of the six weeks, last two weeks are for quarantine before going home. Quarantine in hotel between trips and for final two weeks. Effectively get paid ten weeks for six weeks work. Why is it so hard?
It’s not hard, just expensive.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 04:34
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Should it be possible for flight crew who fly in a locked cockpit no leaving the cockpit to toilet. or freight and are taken direct to quarantine for their overseas stay to be able to return without quarantine.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 05:12
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Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher View Post
It’s not hard, just expensive.
Yes, but if the Government wants to change the quarantine rules, the Government should then receive an amended quote from QF to account for these extra costs.

Unfortunately it would likely result in more outsourcing of these repatriation flights to foreign carriers.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Potsie Weber View Post
six weeks on, four weeks off, paid duty time for every day of the six weeks, last two weeks are for quarantine before going home. Quarantine in hotel between trips and for final two weeks. Effectively get paid ten weeks for six weeks work. Why is it so hard?

Because it’s not as easy as it sounds. Have you operated under theses circumstances?
Because what you are asking is that for the 6 weeks, the crews get no access to exercise outside, no access to fresh air, little choice of dietary requirements, hours/ days of no human interaction during the 6 weeks. They will spend their time sitting in a flight deck, sitting locked up in a hotel room overseas or locked in a Quarantine hotel back in Australia. Your trying to tell me that’s not hard? Sounds easy on paper, but not so easy if you have tried it in reality. I’m not sure you would get too many volunteers signing up for these conditions.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 20:17
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
Yes, but if the Government wants to change the quarantine rules, the Government should then receive an amended quote from QF to account for these extra costs.

Unfortunately it would likely result in more outsourcing of these repatriation flights to foreign carriers.
I’m sure QF are doing alright on these charters, so much so that even a little ‘back charter’ money no doubt helps! Yes the odd selling of DRW SYD. I am assuming the aircraft had a deep clean prior and that the crew....... erm yes holes in the cheese aye!

Even so I couldn’t see many saying yes to 8 weeks away from family.

Storm in a teacup a lot of this, but the holes do need to be minimised to avoid Strayas 7 independent countries locking each other out.
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post

Unfortunately it would likely result in more outsourcing of these repatriation flights to foreign carriers.
...the ones whose crews are more likely to have COVID in the first place. Result!
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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 22:48
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This is the current definition of “International Aircrew” in WA at the moment.

In the last four months alone, I have flown almost 600 hours of international ferries through 16 countries. I have tested negative to COVID at least every 4 days and have submitted COVID procedure manuals that are equivalent to airline level operations to the WA government.
I have previously entered Australia via Broome 4 times during this period, and confirmed with WA health that I had a valid permit to enter WA in light of the Sydney events.
AFTER landing on Sunday, I was informed my status had changed, I was NOT an international crewmember and instead of isolating and departing to QLD as I had done every other time, I was to fly the aircraft to Perth and enter 14 days of mandatory quarantine. I was not permitted to fly on a domestic airline and if the owner of the aircraft refused to allow his aircraft to fly the additional distance, I would be placed on a private jet charter and charged for the privilege.

Merry fcuking Christmas, everyone.

ps. Tested negative twice last week and also again negative in Broome on Monday.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 02:33
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Originally Posted by swh View Post
That is not something new, been in place since April 5. I wouldn’t draw attention to your previous entries as you might end up with massive fines and/or jail time.
Yep, nothing new and I have flown more hours than probably any other pilot in Australia since August doing this.

So nobody wants to hear your “should’ve known better” bullsiht when the facts of the matter are that;

1) I was approved by the WA Police on every occasion.
2) I confirmed the day before departure that rules hadn’t changed with WA Health
3) My APPROVED entry was changed AFTER I landed.

And just where do you think I got my quoted regulation from? How about you read your referenced document and consider WA almost had their mail cut off because the WA Police (in their infinite and irrevocable opinion) defined an airliner as “passenger carrying scheduled services” and that QF freighters (surprise, surprise) didn’t meet their interpretation.

Maybe the decision to phone the crews isolating in Perth every hour to make sure they were still in their isolation accomodation is OK by you as well? That was their procedure until someone got upset, so maybe my drawing attention to this crap will help someone else getting bent over by some little nazi who doesn’t understand aviation.

If you haven’t got anything helpful to add, maybe you should toddle off and go enjoy your Christmas with your family.

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Old 24th Dec 2020, 04:02
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If you can’t handle opinions, don’t post on public forums. Merry Christmas.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 05:24
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so maybe my drawing attention to this crap will help someone else getting bent over by some little nazi who doesn’t understand aviation.
Hey, I know I’m stuck here, nothing says I have to be happy about it, but if my kicking up a stink gets the rules reviewed in the favour of common sense and stops someone else getting nailed, is that a bad thing?
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 05:46
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So SA health have a case of a person infected after travelling DRW-SYD-ABX, on the same DRW-SYD flight as the infected crew member who NSW Health said was not infectious at the time and was not seated near the other passenger. I reckon a common touch point, unless there are other cases in the NT (seems unlikely).
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 05:50
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Latest info looks like it's put paid to commuting for returning crew. 14 days hotel quarantine before travelling interstate, unless it's on an empty aircraft. May make the repatriation flights problematic. Not sure where crew operating these flights are from and where the flights are terminating but if it's not the crew members domicile, they're off to the hotel for two weeks.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 09:33
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This is where the risk assessments haven’t been robust enough. The Covid risk for crew doing IFAM to PVG, HKG, SIN and NRT are minute. That’s a very different risk profile to overnighting at a hotel in London, Paris, Frankfurt or India where theres a good chance one of the crews rooms was cleaned by someone with Covid.

Of course for ignorant bureaucrats there is no nuance to be had, it’s all ‘overseas’ as evidence by the requirement for the crew coming back from Tonga (zero cases) to still isolate.
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 11:53
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So SA health have a case of a person infected after travelling DRW-SYD-ABX, on the same DRW-SYD flight as the infected crew member who NSW Health said was not infectious at the time and was not seated near the other passenger. I reckon a common touch point, unless there are other cases in the NT (seems unlikely).
SA govt now saying something different. Blood tests show he had an old infection that triggered a weak positive. Was not caught on board that flight.
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