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Old 20th Dec 2020, 02:20
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Quarantine for domestic crew?

So with the imposition of mandatory across the board quarantine for passengers travelling from greater Sydney surely this must apply to crew. Or does this apply only to international crew?
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 02:24
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It applies to Domestic crew also, depending on where you have been, and where you end up. Crew who arrive in WA who have been in NSW or SA are required to Isolate for 14 days, unless you arenít based there, and then you must quarantine in the hotel until you leave the state.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 02:28
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From a NSW perspective bazaars said this morning crews arriving from outside Australia are required to isolate at a government hotel from Tuesday. These airline carriers threatened not to fly to Sydney and enter via other capital cities I hope NSW stick to their guns on this.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 02:29
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Nothing new here. Vic / NSW based domestic crew and crew passing through have had to quarantine in hotels in WA NT TAS QLD for much of the year.

different states accepted slightly different versions of passing through / transit of the then hotspots.

Not fun.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 02:30
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And it has been that way for months now. Both Queensland and WA have had that requirement of crew from Sydney since at least June or July. There was a respite for just over a week in both from about December 7 but itís back on again now. I suspect Victoria will implement it soon if it hasnít done so already.

Without going into specifics about where crew stay, in BNE and PER the normal crew accommodation also happened to be quarantine hotels.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 03:59
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What is bizarre (and I think wrong) is that a domestic crew returning to their home state to "Quarantine" must "Quarantine until their next duty".
Having been offered an overnight in Sydney with the consequent 14 days at home in Brisbane when I got home, crewing offered me all the flying I wanted over the next 14 days to make my "Quarantine" period more palatable.
This is BS.
I can't leave home and go to Woollies but I can go to a domestic airport and fly all over the country with 180 people on board every time I hit TOGA.
I can't get a hair cut but I can wander aimlessly around any airport in Australia as long as I am in uniform.
I can' go to the pub but I can pax all over the country.

I turned down crewing generous offer!
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 04:10
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^^^^^^This.

And to make matters worse, QLink doesn’t even have to perform the token self-quarantine. And the health department is ignoring the risk of vectoring the virus into the community via our families, who are not restricted contacts. If there is any risk of being infected then surely there has to be a binary response, not a graded one.

Good luck contact tracing through airport food courts etc.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 04:39
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WA crew have been scratching their heads over this for months. Provided we leave the state every 11 days we never have to get a COVID test either... muppet rules and regs
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 05:33
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Been doing it for years. After an 11 hour duty Day preceded by min rest and late into early shifts, I hardly Leave The hotel anyway...
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 05:40
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Does anybody know if the hotel quarantine applies to Australian Based crew or just foreign crew (the risk profile is exactly the same)?

An official reference would be good.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 06:35
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I live in QLD and commute to Melbourne.
I had almost 3 months of continuous home quarantine during the second wave and with the latest outbreak im going back into quarantine, as I overnighted in Sydney. It sucks!!!!!
But we have many colleagues on long term stand down and worse, been made redundant.


What other options do we have? The governments from each state are not going to change. After the most recent outbreak on the northern beaches flight and cabin crew have been bought into the limelight.

Letís put in into perspective. It wonít go on forever.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 06:51
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Complying with all the ‘shoulds’ of self isolation at home are unenforceable and quite unrealistic. If you have a partner or children living with you, there is the hole in the Swiss cheese just waiting to align.
The only way it could be really safe is to have all household occupants also self isolate. The regulations are just so much window dressing. Without tracking bracelets, virtually useless.

Recently I had to self isolate after being in a hot spot. My wife voluntarily self isolated for the 14 days, even though there was no legal requirement for her to do so. Fortunately we did not have anyone else at home to inconvenience, but for those with kids it would probably make more sense to require quarantine away from home.




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Old 20th Dec 2020, 07:08
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Compulsory hotel quarantine for Aus-based crew is a horrific idea which shouldnít even be countenanced. Think about what it would actually mean for anyone operating internationally on a regular basis.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 07:08
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Thanks, I've seen that but its dated 17 DEC and I think all the Fiefdoms (Thiefdoms) have changed the rules now. The SMH article quoting somebody from the FAAA saying they have no idea at this stage if it apples to QF (or any other local crew)
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 07:31
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Australian Based crew or just foreign crew (the risk profile is exactly the same)?
NO it is not.

Austrailan crew wear PPE snd go straight from airport to hotel in a foreign land and then same on return.

Foreign crew (obviously) live there.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 08:29
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
NO it is not.

Austrailan crew wear PPE snd go straight from airport to hotel in a foreign land and then same on return.

Foreign crew (obviously) live there.
Not sure that I would agree. The person behind the desk or delivering the room service in some foreign hotel coughs on an Australian based crew member and a foreign based crew member (that has commuted in to operate their flight and hence happens to be in the hotel) and then they both hop in their respective rides and fly to Australia... they both present the same risk to the engineers, ground staff and eventually their respective families. I can think of more interesting scenarious but they are specific to certain airlines so I wont go into that...
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 09:10
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Yes the consequence of that scenario is the same.
But not the risk.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 10:02
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Whatever the quarantine requirements for me it would be a better option earning a salary than being free to roam at home on jobkeeper.and out of flying currency.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 11:15
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Originally Posted by dartman2 View Post
Not sure that I would agree. The person behind the desk or delivering the room service in some foreign hotel coughs on an Australian based crew member and a foreign based crew member (that has commuted in to operate their flight and hence happens to be in the hotel) and then they both hop in their respective rides and fly to Australia... they both present the same risk to the engineers, ground staff and eventually their respective families. I can think of more interesting scenarious but they are specific to certain airlines so I wont go into that...
versus someone living at home in say, the usa, with no home isolation coming aus??

crikey. Different ballgame. Currently aus based intl crew are home iso bound in country and restricted to room and room only by the exemptions that allow us to then home isolate.

not perfect but not even close to ths same risk profile.

its about managing risks not pretending its possible to completely eliminate risk. Unless you wanna vote in WA or QLD
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 11:27
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Originally Posted by dartman2 View Post
Not sure that I would agree. The person behind the desk or delivering the room service in some foreign hotel coughs on an Australian based crew member and a foreign based crew member (that has commuted in to operate their flight and hence happens to be in the hotel) and then they both hop in their respective rides and fly to Australia... they both present the same risk
Again, NO. You miss the point entirely.
  • 1 crew member lives in a country riddled with COVID. Every day they are being exposed to possible sources of infection; at the supermarket, at a cafe, at the shops, etc. They feel fine, have no reason to be tested so they hop on a flight to Australia.
  • An Australian crew member lives in a country where a week ago we had virtually eliminated COVID. They have almost no possible way to catch it when not at work. They then fly off to a hotel room overseas and interact with a only a handful of people whilst always wearing a mask. They now fly home to quarantine at home.

Clearly the Ďrisk profileí is very different between the two.

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