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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 12:43
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The press reported a week ago that WorkSafe chief Colin Radford has spent the last eight weeks looking at how our largest industrial accident took place. He has been asked to prosecute four politicians and sixteen public servants. A number of silks are exploring how WorkSafe executives can be prosecuted for inaction if there is a third wave and more deaths. Supreme court may be involved.

https://www.selfemployedaustralia.co...uarantine-mess
Megan - the prospect of worksafe up against the wall is titillating..., do tell more if you can.

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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 20:31
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A new cluster outbreak in Melbourne potentially making all the collective punishment of Melbournians for the past 2 months count for nothing. The family at the centre of the outbreak say they were given conflicting information from DHHS on what they were allowed to do, and that they were regularly called by different DHSS staffers who required their story be explained from the beginning each time.

This is effectively the reason we have a problem in Victoria, and as I mentioned previously, we will continue to suffer these DHHS fools as long as they remain in the way.
Of course theyre saying they were given conflicting info,im not standing up for the govt but dont tell me this family didnt know what they were supposed to do.
Why has it spread across households?,i wasnt aware you could visit other households or does that only apply to most of us!
Look at the school the student goes to,seriously its beyond belief that that these people didnt know or were confused,they need to be fined including the members of the other households they visited.
These people continually thumb their noses at rules thinking they are above the law whilst the rest of us pay for it.
None of us like these rules but for those that want to ignore them why dont u pack your bags & go to the place where you are in agreeance with the rules & stop risking our recovery out of this.
Govt needs to issue fines now,how blatant can it be.
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 03:57
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vne165, it was an article in the "Australian" and didn't elaborate beyond what is in my post. cee cee would advise you disregard, coming from that right wing rag as it does, unless it appears in the "Age" it didn't happen. I could well see WorkSafe against the wall if the Comrades wanted to strut their stuff and show who's boss, and show how much they care about the populace.

It is being said that each person in the household outbreak had a different case manager, little wonder the household may have been confused. Too many cooks and all that.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 02:32
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
vne165, it was an article in the "Australian" and didn't elaborate beyond what is in my post. cee cee would advise you disregard, coming from that right wing rag as it does, unless it appears in the "Age" it didn't happen. I could well see WorkSafe against the wall if the Comrades wanted to strut their stuff and show who's boss, and show how much they care about the populace.

It is being said that each person in the household outbreak had a different case manager, little wonder the household may have been confused. Too many cooks and all that.
Bet there would have been no confusion if the advice was something like 'theres $50 in the mailbox for you'.
Sick of our society making excuses for these people who use every excuse in the book to avoid complying with the law.
Next time i go out without a mask & get fined i will say the information was confusing,should do the trick u think?
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 05:04
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Im thinking that these people don’t want to comply with our laws.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 06:06
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Im thinking that these people don’t want to comply with our laws.
Just the ones that suit them,F everyone else & the govt buckles to them.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 11:23
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I've seen it all now. A pause......
That fcukwit has lost his bottle & needs a long holiday.
Should be sacked immediately.
Where is the governor in all this?
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 00:49
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Dan Andrews will be fine as long as he doesn't criticise Qatar on PPRuNe......
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 01:05
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I've heard conflicting reports that QR codes aren't being used in Victorian venues as they "aren't compatible with the State's contact tracing system". I did see a venue on a tv news service this morning using a pen and paper. Surely that's not the norm given the last 6 months in Melbourne.

Having used QR codes extensively during the last 6 months including two I set up for sporting venues, it would astound me if they are not being used in Victoria. They are effective, efficient, simple to use and and a simple way to encourage patrons to record their attendance.
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 01:10
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They are being used by at least one Vic Govt. Dept. Used it yesterday. How that would relate to the States contact tracing, I do not know.
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 06:38
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The Coate inquiry now into extra time it seems, due to additional facts and information coming to light, whilst other requested data is not being so easily surrendered.
To continue the Chairman's beloved bushfire metaphors, you can't be managing the clowns that started the conflagration, then seek accolades for putting it out, whilst gazing over a vista of 800 charred properties that are lost forever. This Sunday's Credlin special (20:00 EST) might be very interesting.
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 07:45
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How that would relate to the States contact tracing, I do not know.
Here in Queen(P's)land, the QR code would allow our club to provide contact tracing info to the government within an hour if requested due to a positive case attending the club.
Thankfully we didn't have to put it into practice.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 00:53
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I've heard conflicting reports that QR codes aren't being used in Victorian venues as they "aren't compatible with the State's contact tracing system". I did see a venue on a tv news service this morning using a pen and paper. Surely that's not the norm given the last 6 months in Melbourne.
The method of collecting Vic patrons name & phone numbers in premises is not prescribed. Some places are using QR code’s, some are using pen & paper (with sanitiser).

Requiring QR code systems would be onerous for (very) small business, at a time when revenue has been non-existent for many months. It has little consequence to contact tracing.

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Old 30th Oct 2020, 03:09
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 View Post
The method of collecting Vic patrons name & phone numbers in premises is not prescribed. Some places are using QR code’s, some are using pen & paper (with sanitiser).

Requiring QR code systems would be onerous for (very) small business, at a time when revenue has been non-existent for many months. It has little consequence to contact tracing.
They are not expensive and only require a printed code to be displayed at suitable points around the premises and in particular on entry.
The one we used at the football club had 6000 free entries and then it was $13/month. Others are free but not as intuitive, for example don't allow a user to save their details for their next entry or even entry at venues with the same branded QR system.

In the event of a positive case being identified, it's not the venue that does the contact tracing, but the government authority with the info provided by the QR code company. We don't get any details of those attending other than an email each morning indicating how many attended the previous day.

Whilst I'm no fan of Queensland's overall response, I'm told by those that should know that they were able to quickly manage the Wacol and Ipswich outbreaks through quick contact tracing as most of the affected venues were using QR codes.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 03:54
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Had a Coffee today at a chain cafe. QR code didn't work but I think that was my Internet connection as it worked fine for others. Did the honest thing & informed the staff who took my first name & mobile number. All good, but as they weren't confirming that QR codes were being actioned, I guess we'll be back at square one if the Neanderthals think its breaking their Human rights as Sovereign Citizens to comply.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 03:55
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Yes, I understand how it works.

My point was that the contact tracers get the patron’s info regardless if required, no matter how it’s collected at POS.

The method is possibly not mandated here in Vic as we’re bombarded by rule/directive changes seemingly daily, many of them already too onerous relative to the health risk in many areas of the state.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 04:24
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My point was that the contact tracers get the patron’s info regardless if required, no matter how it’s collected at POS.
Quite true but as I was constantly reminded over the last 6 months once people began to gather, they need to be able to access the data quickly in order to ensure minimal transmission. Transposing written records of attendance (in our case up to 500 people on a Saturday arvo) would have taken too long to be as effective as it could be with a QR code. Can you also imagine getting 500-odd football followers to stand in line, physically distancing of course , while each one filled in their name, mobile, email and address in an exercise book? They simply wouldn't after a while hence the reason the QR code is quick, simple and effective….and people did use it. Our local pub was using a pen & paper. We stopped going there when we had to wait for 15 minutes in a queue, preferring the other drinking establishment nearby that had a QR code at the door and the first beer was quenching our thirst within 3 minutes of getting there.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 04:27
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Quite true but as I was constantly reminded over the last 6 months once people began to gather, they need to be able to access the data quickly in order to ensure minimal transmission. Transposing written records of attendance (in our case up to 500 people on a Saturday arvo) would have taken too long to be as effective as it could be with a QR code. Can you also imagine getting 500-odd football followers to stand in line, physically distancing of course , while each one filled in their name, mobile, email and address in an exercise book? They simply wouldn't after a while hence the reason the QR code is quick, simple and effective….and people did use it.
I agree it works very well for most situations.

BUT - I went for a bike ride yesterday, sat down for a coffee and didn't even have a phone with me...
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 09:33
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A “QR code system” is just a method of pointing you to a website. That’s it. What SHOULD be happening is that website should link to a government database that the contact tracers access when dealing with a cluster.

It shouldn’t be as hard as we’re making it. That’s where the system is falling down.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 11:03
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Funny thing is, the telco's already log the signal strength of your mobile phone in their systems, and if your phone binds to multiple base stations as they normally do when idle then using triangulation a fix can be calculated from the data produced, although under C-19 circumstances such a precise level of location is just a bonus. Who needs QR codes.

If only our Australian telco's weren't so good at being completely useless.
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