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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 09:27
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The state of aviation

https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...%20Coast%20Qld

Six months ago you could fly a Dash 8 with 150 hours and a heart beat.

Welcome to the future!

Casual Pilot required for Cessna P210R, Sunshine Coast, Qld

About the Opportunity

Privately owned 1985 Cessna P210R located on the Sunshine Coast, Qld. The aircraft will be shared between businesses that have assets located all over Australia including Western Australia and Tasmania. The plane will not be hired out to third parties.

The owner requires a casual pilot or pilots that are available on short notice and often to stay in regional areas over multiple nights.

It is anticipated that the aircraft will do around 200 hrs per year.

Minimum qualifications and experience
  • Must be an Australian or New Zealand trained CPL
  • Must hold an ASIC
  • Have a minimum of 5000 hours total flying time
  • Have a minimum of 1000 hours experience on combined piston Cessna 200, 300 or 400 series or on the Continental TSIO 520 engine or their equivalent
  • Have a minimum 1000 hrs flying in regional Australia and landing on bush strips
  • Have experience on Cessna 200 series
  • Have experience on smaller pressurised aircraft
  • Have training or experience in lean of peak engine management for big bore engines
  • IFR rated
  • Class 1 Medical
Desirable
  • Flexible arrangement and willingness to fly at short notice and change plans
  • Available to start immediately
  • Based on the Sunshine Coast, Qld
  • Hold a valid flight instructor rating and be willing to instruct the owner to obtain a PPL
  • Have no criminal charges or any pending judgments. A current Police Check (National Police Certificate) will be required.
  • Honest, reliable, easy going and down to earth
  • Excellent people and communication skills
  • A safety-first attitude
  • Non -smoker is preferred
  • Willingness to assist in all aspects of the management of the aircraft
  • Treat the aircraft like you own it
  • Have an efficient and timely service culture - the aircraft ready for take-off when the passengers arrive
Other
  • Only short-listed candidates will be contacted
  • Remuneration will be on an hourly and/or day rate
  • More than one pilot may be selected to ensure availability

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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 10:34
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Christ I'd hate to see the requirments to fly a space shuttle!
I take a peek every Friday at the AFAP pilot job site, its the most sobering thing I've ever read -(
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 11:17
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More like the owner has no idea and has pulled the figures out of their a***.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 11:28
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
Christ I'd hate to see the requirments to fly a space shuttle!
I take a peek every Friday at the AFAP pilot job site, its the most sobering thing I've ever read -(
Oh that’s gold.

I hope this is someone’s idea of a joke, because posting such overqualified requirements for a job that amounts to no more than scraps, will only attract one type of candidate.

Good luck with that.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Middle.Marker View Post
More like the owner has no idea and has pulled the figures out of their a***.
It sounds like smart ass private owner/owners thinking they can get away with anything. I’m fairly sure anyone who ends up “working” (use that term loosely) for these people will be treated like dirt.

I’m actually a little surprised the AFAP published such a demeaning ad. Sure we’re in hard times but that’s just ridiculous.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 11:43
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I know times are tough but somebody must be living in a parallel universe.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 12:49
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Well the P210R is a lovely aircraft....
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 13:13
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Finally all that remote area big bore engine lean of peak smaller pressurised 200 series time is going to pay off.

I can’t wait to get started training the owner in this single engine piston ‘flexible arrangement’ non-smoker ‘short notice’ ‘change plans’ casual private ops gig.

I’ve been waiting for 5000 hrs to fly a C210
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 14:16
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Possibly you people have taken a wrong path! I didn't see it as an ad to take "advantage" of whats taken place, but a particular ad looking for a particular person/s. Since it's like 200 hrs pa I'm guessing looking for someone who is retired and doesn't need the income who would look after the a/c, has a reasonable amount of experience and who would likely enjoy a bit of flying.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 17:28
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
Since it's like 200 hrs pa I'm guessing looking for someone who is retired and doesn't need the income who would look after the a/c, has a reasonable amount of experience and who would likely enjoy a bit of flying.
I reckon someone who is retired and doesn't need the income - but also simultaneously has a valid flight instructor rating - might not be that interested in a gig that offers multiple night stays in regional areas at short notice, and changed plans at the drop of a hat, while instructing the owner and cleaning the aircraft afterwards, and ensuring that it is ready whenever the passengers show up. They're obviously looking for someone flexible, but most jobs don't involve that much bending over.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 21:25
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And then only being paid per flight hour...
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 22:36
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I think you have all taken this the wrong way and are beating your chests to show how experienced you are and unavailable for such a demeaning job.

I intend to apply with a few caveats.

Owner.

Must be between 18 and 40 y.o and female.

Be a non-smoker (or have lubricant that prevents smoking).

Available for massages after flights.

Available for back washes when required.

Must hold a drivers licence to ferry me to and from establishments that serve liquor

Needs to have lady friends that will accompany owner on flights.

Lady friends need to be able to give massages.

After every 50 hours supply a first class ticket to overseas destination off my choice.

Have experience in bore management.

Communication skills aligning with only relevant topics to be discussed.

Desirable.

Medical experience a benefit particularly when accompanied with a lady friend.


I am still working on the caveats and happy to take advice on what should be included.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 23:04
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This job app reads like "Experienced heart surgeon required to pour coffee at local street cafe and should be comfortable to work at any random hour when customers feel like being served, pay=$2.50/hour,
(must supply own coffee)"
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 23:33
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Whether they are realistic or not, the owner dictates the requirements.
It will certainly remove the tyre kickers from the equation!
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 00:23
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
Whether they are realistic or not, the owner dictates the requirements.
It will certainly remove the tyre kickers from the equation!
It will remove everyone from the equation.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 00:39
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
It sounds like smart ass private owner/owners thinking they can get away with anything. I’m fairly sure anyone who ends up “working” (use that term loosely) for these people will be treated like dirt.

I’m actually a little surprised the AFAP published such a demeaning ad. Sure we’re in hard times but that’s just ridiculous.


Don't like it, then don't apply. Stay with Uber...
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 01:03
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Like another poster mentioned, I'm surprised AFAP even published this. 5000 hrs, available at the drop of a hat, changing plans, casual rates, FIR, teach the owner, nights away from home and possibly sharing the job. Must surely be a joke...
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 01:22
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Serious question. Does anybody actually run these types of engines "lean of peak"? (Successfully long term).
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 01:35
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Does anybody actually run these types of engines "lean of peak"? (Successfully long term).
Hang on a minute while I go and get a deckchair and some popcorn, this is going to be good.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 01:54
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LoL, yes lean of peak can be run successfully long term but only if you do it correctly! Ideally you need an accurate digital reading of not only the EGT but also individual Cylinders otherwise you run the risk of damage. But I agree, bring on the popcorn!
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