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QF pulls the plug on international flights to March 2021

Old 10th Jul 2020, 12:12
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No need to ask pilots for financial advice anymore because they are now all experts in virus control
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Lapon View Post
Nothing. We continue as we are, at least until some sort of reasonably effective treatment comes along that makes the virus less contagious or deadly would be my guess (if a vaccine cannot be found).
Deadly you means as for the 0.000053% world population that has died? Gonna be difficult
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 13:02
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A vaccine for COVID may certainly never eventuate.

However, it's likely that a few therapeutics will be found that can save lives, allowing the world to return to how it was. There are many promising late-stage trials of stem cell therapies that reverse damage from COVID-associated acute respiratory distress syndrome (this is the killer). These are far more advanced than any vaccine candidates.
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I would love a PM with details of these advanced trials StickShift3000. Stem cells are very sexy. The commonest phrase in published medical papers for a decade. The number of internationally approved stem cell treatments? Nil.

I await details with an open mind but until then I am skeptical. Antibody infusions seem to help but dont prevent hospital admission. Vaccines are highly likely to work given the wide range of methods in over 220 trials. We have vaccines with a known safe dose in P2 studies which do produce antibodies. That is close. The question is when.....
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 17:49
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We're not the UK. we don't want to be the UK. Thanks for your input.
😂

What a classic “Aussie” answer.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 21:27
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the median age for a covid19 death in sweden is 86 years
i bet that is higher than the average life expectancy in australia.
in fact fewer people are dying in sweden right now than is the average over the same period over the last five years.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 22:45
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Originally Posted by DooblerChina View Post
One day the people down under will realise there’s no beating the virus. You can stay segregated from the outside world forever and cost yourselves millions of jobs or just let it rip like it has in Europe. It sounds like the most horrific option until you realise the number of those sadly deceased is no more than a bad flu year.

Here in the U.K. we have had 7 worse years in the past 30, naughty Sweden who didn’t really lockdown 24 worse years in the past 30. One day all this will be studied in lecture theatres under the title “the great over-reaction.”
Exactly. We are a nation of scared little kids that think we know best.

We’re going to learn to live with it - one way or another. Isolating from the rest of the world is a short term band aid at best.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 23:06
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Exactly. We are a nation of scared little kids that think we know best.

We’re going to learn to live with it - one way or another. Isolating from the rest of the world is a short term band aid at best.
we’re now entering our 5th month of international borders being closed with vaccine development & distribution perhaps being 6-12 months away.

It doesn’t seem that unrealistic to keep our border closed for that time.

If none of the 150 Vaccine candidates work, then we’ll just have to cross that bridge when we come to it, but I’m optimistic (based on reports out of Oxford) that it will.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 00:39
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Exactly. We are a nation of scared little kids that think we know best.

We’re going to learn to live with it - one way or another. Isolating from the rest of the world is a short term band aid at best.
I agree wholeheartedly, this will go down in history as the greatest ever failure of public policy. It’s not going to be stopped, as the US General said in Vietnam we have to burn the village to save it.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 00:48
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There is a new drug called Remdesivir still in the testing phase just been approved in Australia for use, although not a cure but showing signs of increasing recovery times in severe cases of COVID-19. I have only found info on a trial currently undertaken by a German company called CureVac that is testing a possible vaccine, their trial will last up to 15 months which started early June which looks promising but won’t be available until late 2121 if successful.

Return to normality Internationally solely relies on a Vaccine as country’s have worked hard to slow it down. I couldn’t see any country allowing US or Chinese tourist in otherwise.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 02:04
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Originally Posted by DooblerChina View Post
One day the people down under will realise there’s no beating the virus. You can stay segregated from the outside world forever and cost yourselves millions of jobs or just let it rip like it has in Europe. It sounds like the most horrific option until you realise the number of those sadly deceased is no more than a bad flu year.

Here in the U.K. we have had 7 worse years in the past 30, naughty Sweden who didn’t really lockdown 24 worse years in the past 30. One day all this will be studied in lecture theatres under the title “the great over-reaction.”
Your thoughts seem akin to Boris Johnson's...initially treating it as a harmless cold, allowing it to spread fervently into every corner of the country, followed by a shambles of a lockdown; then a sudden change of heart last week to, our economy is weakening, get everyone back to work asap...doesn't matter who dies along the way.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 02:19
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Reported in The Australian today, from the newly appointed head of the WHO Coronavirus inquiry:

“I’m told from Geneva that the most optimistic scenario for a widely available vaccine would be at least two and a half years,” former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark has told Nine Newspapers”

She he goes on to say that: “And even then we don’t know how efficacious it would be – it may not stop us getting it, it may simply mitigate the impact of getting it.”

Not that I’d have much faith in anything the WHO has said or done, regarding this monumental clusters$&* that China has kindly given us all! Did I say F$&* China too?! Should have!
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 03:09
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Originally Posted by Variable Incidence View Post
Reported in The Australian today, from the newly appointed head of the WHO Coronavirus inquiry:

“I’m told from Geneva that the most optimistic scenario for a widely available vaccine would be at least two and a half years,” former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark has told Nine Newspapers”

She he goes on to say that: “And even then we don’t know how efficacious it would be – it may not stop us getting it, it may simply mitigate the impact of getting it.”

Not that I’d have much faith in anything the WHO has said or done, regarding this monumental clusters$&* that China has kindly given us all! Did I say F$&* China too?! Should have!
Just after this all started, I started a thread called ‘ Is the WHO fit for purpose?’. This was after they were refusing to call it a pandemic. Some people were laughing at me then. I would like to know now what most people think of the WHO?.

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Old 11th Jul 2020, 03:43
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Just after this all started, I started a thread called ‘ Is the WHO fit for purpose?’. This was after they were refusing to call it a pandemic. Some people were laughing at me then. I would like to know now what most people think of the WHO?.
Let me say this straight up. Trump is an idiot.

But walking away from the WHO after this royal cluster **** up is the smartest thing he has done. They are just as guilty as China.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 03:47
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Just out of interest, to all the supporters of the just let it rip campaign, how do you think you'll go in a 8,000 ft cabin for a couple of hours as a recovered person.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 03:57
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Just after this all started, I started a thread called ‘ Is the WHO fit for purpose?’. This was after they were refusing to call it a pandemic. Some people were laughing at me then. I would like to know now what most people think of the WHO?.
Research the Director General's background, who was instrumental in his appointment and who's puppet he is. It's not only the WHO, it's the UN as a whole. Corrupt, dysfunctional and given the circumstances surrounding the declaration of the pandemic probably criminal as well.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 04:03
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Just out of interest, to all the supporters of the just let it rip campaign, how do you think you'll go in a 8,000 ft cabin for a couple of hours as a recovered person.
Depends on a whole lot of things doesn't it. Were you healthy prior with no pre-existing conditions? Have you any pre-existing conditions, particularly cardio vascular? Probably the best advice to take prior to boarding an aircraft would be from a medical professional experienced in these things, you know, use evidence based advice.

Of course anyone advocating an evidence based approach to 'living with' the virus and getting on with life is a 'let it ripper'
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 04:09
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Just out of interest, to all the supporters of the just let it rip campaign, how do you think you'll go in a 8,000 ft cabin for a couple of hours as a recovered person.
Better than a pack a day smoker.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 04:14
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That question is intended for tech crew, so pre-existing cardio vascular conditions wouldn't be one of them.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 05:00
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I've got a pre-existing cardio vascular condition and hold a Class 1 Medical.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 05:11
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Are you required to do the cardio stress test each renewal
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