Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

REX to transition to ATRs, start domestic jet ops

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

REX to transition to ATRs, start domestic jet ops

Old 19th Jan 2021, 08:50
  #561 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: HKG
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Tubman601
Yes there is an NG sim at Ansett Melbourne, it’s where Melbourne based crew do their sims and any overload goes to Bris or vice versa.
Rex are using the Boeing sim in Bris too, have friends using it.
Can somebody please take a photo of the sim centre tomorrow to settle this. The suspense is killing me.

Last edited by Green.Dot; 19th Jan 2021 at 09:06.
Green.Dot is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2021, 08:59
  #562 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Brisvegas
Posts: 3,825
Likes: 0
Received 183 Likes on 86 Posts
https://www.ansettaviationtraining.c...ions/australia

Not listed as 737NG being available but maybe it is.
Icarus2001 is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2021, 09:28
  #563 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Paradise
Age: 67
Posts: 1,545
Received 46 Likes on 16 Posts
https://www.casa.gov.au/licences-and...aining-devices



CASA seem to think it is there too.
chimbu warrior is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2021, 09:48
  #564 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 915
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by chimbu warrior
https://www.casa.gov.au/licences-and...aining-devices



CASA seem to think it is there too.

Yes but probably Ansett lease the space to VA and it's only for use by VA, Ansett do not have use or access.

Whether another airline could negotiate use? Nothing to do with Ansett, EVERYTHING to do with owners attitude - or maybe cashflow in these interesting times.

Bit like Indecent Proposal - Woddy Harralson COULD rent out Demi Moore to Robert Redford for a night - but are the $$$ good enough??
galdian is online now  
Old 19th Jan 2021, 10:25
  #565 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: in the stars... looking at the gutter.
Posts: 463
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
The 738 sim in AAT Melbourne is Virgin's, maintained by AAT, but not for hire. It's the better of VA's 2 737 sims.
Goat Whisperer is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2021, 10:50
  #566 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 915
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Goat Whisperer
The 738 sim in AAT Melbourne is Virgin's, maintained by AAT, but not for hire. It's the better of VA's 2 737 sims.
Honest Q: who owns it now?

With the administration etc appears VA used many assets for collateral, no reason why the SIM's couldn't have been mortgaged.

So who owns the SIM now?
galdian is online now  
Old 20th Jan 2021, 01:49
  #567 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Kickstarter
i think she/he is having a go at how much suburban trains drivers are paid for something that's much simpler than driving a car or truck.

No indicators, no changing lanes etc. just brake & throttle.
Well, BNEA320, given that you wrote the post you are speculating on, I would say you would know.

Or does your memory fade when you change usernames?
Derfred is offline  
Old 21st Jan 2021, 11:44
  #568 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Qld
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Kickstarter
i think she/he is having a go at how much suburban trains drivers are paid for something that's much simpler than driving a car or truck.

No indicators, no changing lanes etc. just brake & throttle.
Well seeing that you wrote that post under your 'getaway' account, BNEA320. Shouldn't you know this?

Perhaps you can start a airline and train company, you did say you have the 'brains' to start a transport business.
Perhaps your trains can connect to your 800 seat A380 flying direct from Sydney to Colorado.

Your LNP mates may be able to help.
DanV2 is offline  
Old 21st Jan 2021, 23:17
  #569 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: NZ
Posts: 261
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by morno
Not all of them are ex VA pilots, and Rex still have to develop their own procedures, manuals, etc. etc. You can't just rock up to CASA with Virgin replaced with Rex on the manuals and expect it to be approved. Tiger tried that.

HR courses, sims, SEP's, all has to be done.
Seemed to work for Airnorth and their EJet operation. It is/was a copy/paste of the old VB manuals.
Dookie on Drums is offline  
Old 21st Jan 2021, 23:24
  #570 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: MCY
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Dookie on Drums
Seemed to work for Airnorth and their EJet operation. It is/was a copy/paste of the old VB manuals.
how different can they be ?
getaway is offline  
Old 22nd Jan 2021, 00:09
  #571 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: GMT
Age: 52
Posts: 2,044
Received 157 Likes on 56 Posts
how different can they be ?
getaway,

I can't decide whether you are the APAC regions greatest ever pilot baiting troll, or just a d1ck. I am going with the latter.....
minigundiplomat is offline  
Old 22nd Jan 2021, 03:41
  #572 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Qld
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by getaway (BNEA320)
how different can they be ?
Why are you asking? You should know it, being the self proclaimed know it all of running airlines.
DanV2 is offline  
Old 22nd Jan 2021, 13:44
  #573 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When BNEA320 gets called out under whatever username, he stops responding and just starts a new thread.
Derfred is offline  
Old 23rd Jan 2021, 08:39
  #574 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 1,030
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Usernames of members aside, 5 weeks to go, is this going ahead?

3360 seats to fill a day from the get go.
wheels_down is offline  
Old 23rd Jan 2021, 09:19
  #575 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Sydney
Posts: 630
Received 109 Likes on 40 Posts
Originally Posted by wheels_down
Usernames of members aside, 5 weeks to go, is this going ahead?

3360 seats to fill a day from the get go.
Yes. Plenty of pilots and FAs in the system ready to go.
Ladloy is offline  
Old 24th Jan 2021, 00:23
  #576 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Equatorial
Age: 50
Posts: 1,039
Received 106 Likes on 52 Posts
People will buy tickets on the cheapest available at present. I personally do not think many currently care about points or lounges. Have you been through airports lately? It is hassle free and very fast through check in and security due no crowds.

As some form of normalcy returns I am sure this will change.

I've been enjoying some domestic travel recently and flights I've taken were generally 70-80%, no idea on the $ side.

REX should do well for the first few months, it would be interesting to know the advance booking numbers!

What is the REX cancelation policy due Covid shut downs (yes I could look it up)?
Global Aviator is offline  
Old 24th Jan 2021, 07:19
  #577 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Perth, Australia
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by Global Aviator
What is the REX cancelation policy due Covid shut downs (yes I could look it up)?
Per the rex media release on the 12th of Jan 2021

Rex General Manager of Network Strategy Warrick Lodge said, “Rex remains committed to a full refund of all tickets affected by any flight cancellation or rescheduling, without exception. Rex will also be offering a full refund of tickets for passengers who are directly affected by current and future COVID-related border closures or travelling restrictions, even though our flights continue to operate as scheduled.
NaFenn is offline  
Old 24th Jan 2021, 11:21
  #578 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Hotel Quarantine
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
Make no mistake, as has been alluded to here before and confirmed in the media last week, Rex planned this whole operation on the basis that there wouldn’t be a Virgin to compete with.

When Virgin entered administration we had the Rex chairman dancing around the still warm carcass making disparaging remarks about their management and operation and talking down their value in attempt to switch off the life support once and for all.

Then we had their announcement about commencing capital city routes coinciding with the pointy end of negotiations over who was going to take over the reigns at Virgin.

Rex’s plans and expansion schedule is very similar to how Virgin Blue entered the market in the absence of a defunct Ansett.

Rex thought they were going to slide easily into a domestic market vacated by Virgin and regardless of the impact of COVID would be able to carve a niche in the absence of at least one major competitor.

Rex have never had any real competition, their regional operation is unique for anywhere in the world in that (as they’ve stated many times themselves) their main competitor is the car. The majority of their routes are sub 1 hour, devoid of any competition and some are heavily subsided.

Where Rex have had competition and after the proverbial whinge to the local councils/government they are soundly beaten or quit the route all together (think Port Lincoln or Dubbo where QantasLink have squeezed what once were profitable for Rex or more recently Merimbula or Kangaroo Island where given the threat of competition withdraw all together)

The majority of passengers carried by Rex are Government, medical or business travellers looking to complete their business in one day instead of the two or three if driven. There are very few country residents that use Rex to connect onto other airlines to fly interstate or overseas.

So in light of all of this, where does this leave Rex in entering what has been a notoriously difficult domestic market?

Rex have never put much effort into marketing or brand awareness, in fact they’ve only in the last few months for the first time created a social media presence.

Unless you’re from the country no one has a clue who Rex are and those that have had to use the service are aware of the arrogant indifference often displayed (think the chairman’s remarks to a country Doctor telling him not to bother flying with them again when he had a genuine question regarding a delayed service, the constant threats of withdrawing marginal services if local council don’t toe the line or the constant whinging about the ‘poaching’ of pilots even though their business model is based around a high turn over of crew at their training academy).

Rex are about to find that the bare bones arrogant effort they’re used to operating with in an environment of no competition with a captive consumer base, isn’t going to translate into early success when upscaling their operation into a totally different market they have no experience in.

As in the past, it’ll be those with the deepest pockets who will survive and the question is who is going to throw cash at Rex to enable them to survive what’s going to be a tough initial few years?
Bull_Shark is offline  
Old 24th Jan 2021, 21:48
  #579 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 1,030
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Survival will depend on passenger treatment also, offering fares at Jetstar levels, does this mean treating them like Jetstar passengers when things go wrong?

I have a feeling they will treat them more like Tiger passengers when things go wrong. The fleet sizes will be similar, the scrutiny around spending cash will be similar, and a old fleet will be similar.

Tiger destroyed itself in Jan of 2008 after they commenced operations when they started canceling flights due to engineering and they didn’t have much ability to transfer these people onto future fights due to full, and no ability to add on more flights. They did as little as possible to spend as little as possible, as we all know, rescheduling around engineering is expensive. Executives told the media, passengers will get refunds in 90 days and ‘should have purchased travel insurance- not our problem’. It will just all downhill from there.

Rex won’t want to spend cash looking after its passengers. Mark my words, those 738s will break down, no different to Tiger, well they are the same and older. I will avoid them due to this reason alone, most certainly aware of the engineering issues these older birds have had in the last. Jetstar is tight and might be an hour late, however the A321S is more reliable, and I won’t sit there looking out the window waiting for a Rex engineer trying to fix VOP or VUF for the thousandth time.
wheels_down is offline  
Old 24th Jan 2021, 22:02
  #580 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 396
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How about this?

A capacity war starts March 1. Everyone is losing money. The first to run out is Rex. Bain buy Rex for a song and get the best regional network in the country?
Wingspar is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.