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Old 18th Jan 2021, 23:39
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Originally Posted by getaway
thought they werer going to be all ex VA or almost. Rex & VA rules that different ? Don't understand, but have been drinking heaps watching the cricket
Err, itís called induction. You canít just rock up day 1 and start flying the aeroplane.
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Old 18th Jan 2021, 23:44
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Originally Posted by morno
Err, itís called induction. You canít just rock up day 1 and start flying the aeroplane.
6 week induction for ex VA pilots, flying ex VA aircraft ? Sounds like the public service or suburban train drivers who need 12 months to "learn" how to stop & go (driving a train is far more complicated than flying any aircraft) & get paid $250k a year.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 01:19
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Originally Posted by getaway
6 week induction for ex VA pilots, flying ex VA aircraft ? Sounds like the public service or suburban train drivers who need 12 months to "learn" how to stop & go (driving a train is far more complicated than flying any aircraft) & get paid $250k a year.
Not all of them are ex VA pilots, and Rex still have to develop their own procedures, manuals, etc. etc. You can't just rock up to CASA with Virgin replaced with Rex on the manuals and expect it to be approved. Tiger tried that.

HR courses, sims, SEP's, all has to be done.
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Originally Posted by morno
Not all of them are ex VA pilots, and Rex still have to develop their own procedures, manuals, etc. etc. You can't just rock up to CASA with Virgin replaced with Rex on the manuals and expect it to be approved. Tiger tried that.

HR courses, sims, SEP's, all has to be done.
ok but 6 weeks ? Is that 1 day a week ?
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 02:00
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getaway, you have obviously never worked inside any airline or probably any aviation organisation for that matter. If the induction courses run smoothly then possibly, just possibly, an experienced new hire pilot might be able to be checked to line in just over 4 weeks. One big bottleneck is Sim availability. As Rex certainly don't have their own Sim resources they are at the mercy of whoever does, and they aren't going to be doing any favours for Rex. Also this is a new operation, so CASA will be watching everything carefully, bringing everything to crashing halt if they find anything they don't like(remember Tiger).
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 02:08
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getaway, you have obviously never worked inside any airline or probably any aviation organisation for that matter. If the induction courses run smoothly then possibly, just possibly, an experienced new hire pilot might be able to be checked to line in just over 4 weeks. One big bottleneck is Sim availability. As Rex certainly don't have their own Sim resources they are at the mercy of whoever does, and they aren't going to be doing any favours for Rex. Also this is a new operation, so CASA will be watching everything carefully, bringing everything to crashing halt if they find anything they don't like(remember Tiger).
I believe Rex are using the Ansett simulator at Garden Drive in Tullamarine. Given there will be no international pilots coming in for training, I assume availability for REX would be good.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 02:28
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6 week induction for ex VA pilots, flying ex VA aircraft ? Sounds like the public service or suburban train drivers who need 12 months to "learn" how to stop & go (driving a train is far more complicated than flying any aircraft) & get paid $250k a year.
What were you expecting from a highly regulated industry controlled by career bureaucrats?
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 02:29
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The Ansett Training website only mentions 737 classic (2nd gen) type ratings. So no good for the NG (3rd gen) aircraft. I know where they have been training, and there is going to be a bottleneck there soon.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 02:46
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Originally Posted by morno
Not all of them are ex VA pilots, and Rex still have to develop their own procedures, manuals, etc. etc. You can't just rock up to CASA with Virgin replaced with Rex on the manuals and expect it to be approved. Tiger tried that.

HR courses, sims, SEP's, all has to be done.
If TT did that then they learned from the geniuses at VA because rumour has it that when VA (or DJ) at the time submitted their manuals, someone at CASA suggested gently that they might want to remove the word Ansett from the documents and perhaps the Ansett logo where it appeared on a few pages....... kind of sums up the expertise when they started and their general level of expertise....
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driving a train is far more complicated than flying any aircraft
Please enlighten us with your flying experience to be able to make a call like that Craig.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 03:52
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Rex have been training cabin crew at the Ansett Training centre but there is no 737NG sim. The only one I can think of other than QF would be alteon in Brisbane.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 03:57
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Please enlighten us with your flying experience to be able to make a call like that Craig.
i think she/he is having a go at how much suburban trains drivers are paid for something that's much simpler than driving a car or truck.

No indicators, no changing lanes etc. just brake & throttle.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 04:32
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i think she/he is having a go at how much suburban trains drivers are paid for something that's much simpler than driving a car or truck.

No indicators, no changing lanes etc. just brake & throttle.
And knowing every inch of the routes on which they are cleared to drive. Every signal, every curve, every set of points, every speed restriction. And that's not to mention traction knowledge
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 05:11
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And knowing every inch of the routes on which they are cleared to drive. Every signal, every curve, every set of points, every speed restriction. And that's not to mention traction knowledge
As an ex airline pilot .. now train driver.. I can assure you Chris is correct.. there is more to driving trains than you think.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 05:19
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
I believe Rex are using the Ansett simulator at Garden Drive in Tullamarine. Given there will be no international pilots coming in for training, I assume availability for REX would be good.
Unless Ansett Sims bit the bullet and spent $$ upgrading the classic sim software then no longer acceptable for check signoffs for a couple of years now.
I used the SIM for renewals on my Oz licence a couple of times to meet overseas requirements, as type rating in Oz was 300-900 ticked the box adequately.

Even if upgraded wonder what CASA would say about using a classic sim for signoffs then operations within Australia on the NG?
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 06:33
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Unless itís disappeared in the last few years, there is an NG sim at Ansett
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 06:42
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Even Ansett doesn't think there is an NG sim in Melbourne https://www.ansettaviationtraining.com/simulators
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 06:47
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Interesting, maybe it has disappeared. I swear I remember there was one there that Virgin used, even had their logo on the side. Opposite the A320 sim.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 07:11
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Originally Posted by morno
Interesting, maybe it has disappeared. I swear I remember there was one there that Virgin used, even had their logo on the side. Opposite the A320 sim.
There must of been, remember running into an ex Ansett/Japan/ then VA 73 checker back in 2017 or so who was there doing SIM stuff.

If you've ever followed the threads from guys trying to find ways to complete IR's for foreign regulators you'll realise how far away Oz is in understanding there's a big, big world out there. But few here seem to care.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 07:11
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Yes there is an NG sim at Ansett Melbourne, itís where Melbourne based crew do their sims and any overload goes to Bris or vice versa.
Rex are using the Boeing sim in Bris too, have friends using it.
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