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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:02
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ASX announcement from Qantas that I can’t post a link to because of stupid Pprune rules. Anyway says 6,000 people to depart with an announcement later today.

google Qantas asx and you will you will find it.

Good luck everyone and our thoughts are with the 6,000 people affected by this.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:03
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https://www.afr.com/street-talk/qant...0200625-p555y3

After a long night of deliberations, Qantas Airways has launched a $1.36 billion institutional placement and unveiled its three year post-COVID recovery plan, which will see more than 100 aircraft grounded for the next 12 months.The deal – which was foreshadowed by Street Talk on Wednesday evening – was launched on Thursday morning, with the help of investment banks Macquarie and JPMorgan. It is understood Luminis Partners also advised on the deal.

The fully underwritten placement was priced at $3.65 a share, which represented a 12.9 per cent discount to Qantas' last close.

It would be followed by a $500 million non-underwritten share purchase plan.

Like all airlines, Qantas has been on equity raising watchlists since the pandemic struck but up until Thursday had resisted calls to make a trip to equity capital markets.

It raised $550 million debt in May and $1.05 billion in March to shore up its cash position.

When Thursday's share purchase plan and placement were finished, Qantas would have pro forma liquidity of $4.6 billion, with $3.6 billion in cash and $1 billion of undrawn facilities.

The announcement of the raising coincided with the release of Qantas' three year COVID-19 recovery strategy



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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:05
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2900 pilots to be stood down with 220 actual job losses. I think they will get that with VR. 100 aircraft to be grounded. The group widebody fleet is only 65 aircraft so it will effect narrow body pilots around the group also.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:10
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Interesting quote.

Many of the 6,000 of the job losses we're announcing are people who have spent decades here
RIN on the 747 and 380 fleet?
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:29
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Originally Posted by WannaBeBiggles
Interesting quote.
RIN on the 747 and 380 fleet?
It doesn’t specifically mention pilots, could be any of the numerous ground staff, cabin crew, engineering or office roles.

Plus I would think VR or retirements would be included in those going, and they would’ve had “decades of service”.

I think 220 pilots across the group would easily be managed with retirements and maybe a slight VR package. I’m fairly sure no CR will come out of this, for pilots at least.
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The announcement of the raising coincided with the release of Qantas' three year COVID-19 recovery strategy
Going by this statement, QF thinks the world will return to normal within 3 years.

Even with some overseas travel resuming inside that timeframe, that’s a long time for international pilots to be stood down.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:48
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220 pilots to retire ? Not a chance they won’t even get that many without a good VR.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:54
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220 pilots to retire ? Not a chance they won’t even get that many without a good VR.
Not just mainline, across the group as well. There’ll probably be a lot of other pilots, not only from the 747, who’ll hang up the hat if it looks like it’ll be a few years before getting back into the saddle. I’m told quite a few are ready to retire, they’re just waiting to see if a VR will be offered, but will go anyway if one isn’t.

There’ll also be a small number who take LWOP, much smaller than 2014 due to worldwide aviation being in a downturn but some do have other things lined up they can do for a few years.

In 2014 AIPA said the VR package on offer wasn’t enough, but evidently it was because enough took it in the end.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:56
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
2900 pilots to be stood down with 220 actual job losses. I think they will get that with VR. 100 aircraft to be grounded. The group widebody fleet is only 65 aircraft so it will effect narrow body pilots around the group also.
Up to 100 aircraft for up to 12 months”
There are plenty of narrowbodies still grounded right now.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 23:57
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It doesn’t say they will all come from mainline. I think there will be a VR. A “good” VR, may not happen though. Many guys will reach 65 while this is ongoing and will have to retire without any SH spots. Time will tell, but until Sept and the end of Jobkeeper nobody will do anything. It will be different when the tap turns off. I don’t think they fear being held to ransom as being paid nothing is the alternative. If people say no, they will just shrug and let time pass.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:05
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Well that's that, it was inevitable but I guess a lot where living in hope!
A new era has dawned.
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https://australianaviation.com.au/20...kQB91AQwOi-Yog
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:12
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220 pilots to retire ? Not a chance they won’t even get that many without a good VR.
Joyce just said A380 to be out for three years. Will that change a few minds?
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:13
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So it’s 220 pilot positions across the group?

The 747 accounts for around 150 odd positions from mainline. So there’s 70 or so to account for from elsewhere..
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:25
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Can the company pick and choose who they offer VR too?

Why would they offer it to anyone who is due to retire in the next 1-2 years when they know you will just remain stood down?
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:34
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Originally Posted by normanton
Can the company pick and choose who they offer VR too?

Why would they offer it to anyone who is due to retire in the next 1-2 years when they know you will just remain stood down?
Yes, in 2014 it was offered to 747 or 767 pilots only, and then the exact numbers at their discretion.

Age discrimination laws will probably prevent them from setting age restrictions on the ability to take a package.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:52
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Originally Posted by Fonz121
Joyce just said A380 to be out for three years. Will that change a few minds?
My bet is it will never return. It appears the gravy train has run out of track.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 01:00
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Qantas A380s grounded until at least mid-2023

Alan Joyce says all A380s are off to the Mojave Desert and "will be parked for at least three years".

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...380-retirement
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 01:14
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3 years is the length of this recovery plan. I suggest that is the rational behind the 3 years comment. I doubt we will see it again.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 01:38
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Ah another thread on qf from bnea320
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