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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 05:42
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We look after a severely immunocompromised close family member, if I am forced to stand up that will result in travel to anywhere there is community transmission and/or involves subsequent quarantine, I will direct them to my lawyer. If they say fine, go on LWOP, I will direct them to my lawyer for discrimination as every other pilot under the agreement has not been directed to take LWOP. I don't see how they can direct some to LWOP whilst leaving others just stood down. If they want me to come back to work, I will come back full-time as per the agreement, else I will stay stood down. I will take LWOP, if every single stood down pilot takes LWOP.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 06:17
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The The I think you will find you are not “stood up” your stand down is cancelled and you would be required to return to work as per your contract. If you didn’t wish to return to work then you would have a few options; a) take annual or long service leave, b) take LWOP, c) resign. The company can’t force you to do any of the above (they may suggest it’s in your best interest) but if you are not taking any of those options you will have to do what you are contractually obliged too or face disciplinary action. No conspiracy there just how they would see it.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 06:41
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I believe ultimately it would be more complex than that or otherwise youíre a casual employee not a full time permanent employee as the concerned individual is.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 06:50
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Rather than jump at shadows, how about we do the right thing here by engaging firstly with your Base Ops managers re your concerns. After that, having taken some notes as to their response to your concerns, engage with the AIPA exec re any ongoing issues.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 06:52
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
This is 3rd wave , it will be devastating and there will be lay-offs .
The QF group will rebuild slowly and off the street over the next few years , and will be on a if you donít like it leave contract ! As long as they donít go broke !!
If youíre LH yeah Iíd be bloody worried. SH will come back hard again all this will be knocked on the head by March in time for Easter holidays.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 07:03
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If youíre LH yeah Iíd be bloody worried. SH will come back hard again all this will be knocked on the head by March in time for Easter holidays.
Knocked on the head by Easter? Wasnít that the plan for Xmas?

Are you honestly confident in this not occurring again and states being locked down? Same risk, same result.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 07:05
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It was also the plan for the June and September holidays last year.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 07:42
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NSW will have it sorted by end of January, another 3 weeks for states to get confidence then we go again like I keep saying this will be here for years just need for rest of Australia to wake up accept it and let Gladys be the covid commander of Australia. Oh and this is a disease that is so deadly that a lot of people don't know they have it or had it. I can vouch from personal experience.

As long as VA are breathing down AJ neck he will not give an inch, Rex well that will be a pile of mess JQ will get Tiger share and what ever Rex thought they had.

As much as I am a fan of Gladys I am finally relived she has made mask mandatory should have been done with the Casula but this will speed up the process now. With that and NSW being the best in the world at this it will be knocked on the head quickly. All the doubters out there just look at what happened with the Avalon, Casuala, Picton etc etc etc NSW the only state capable and has proved it all whilst taking in the most internationals although that is the time bomb that will go off again. WA, like to see you have a go!

Victoria I don't have confidence in and the newly appointed Covid commander what a joke that guy is resign now mate, fancy not having the first line of defense armed and ready to go at a moments notice he should have had an army of testers on STBY ready to go but nope they turned them away due to being overloaded.

NSW tested over 40,000, 45,000, 55,000 60,000 in one day I think 35,000 today no one was sent home yes long waits but all were tested.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 07:48
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This isnít getting knocked on the head until the vaccine uptake is at a level to allow herd immunity and widespread removal of restrictions. The current Federal Government plan for that is October.

Of course it could be much, much faster, Israel has already vaccinated over 10% of their population in just 12 days. They are planning to get to the required level to be over the pandemic in March, before any Australian has received a Covid vaccine here.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 07:57
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If youíre LH yeah Iíd be bloody worried. SH will come back hard again all this will be knocked on the head by March in time for Easter holidays.
At the speed Morrison is moving on a vaccine, weíll probably be better dealing with vaccinated international pax before the domestic scene sorts itself out. But I guess they still need to determine if vaccinated peeps are contagious.

This whole ďwe donít need to move fast on a vaccine as itís not a big problem for AustraliaĒ narrative needs to change.

Edit: Beat me to it Dre
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
NSW will have it sorted by end of January, another 3 weeks for states to get confidence then we go again like I keep saying this will be here for years just need for rest of Australia to wake up accept it and let Gladys be the covid commander of Australia. Oh and this is a disease that is so deadly that a lot of people don't know they have it or had it. I can vouch from personal experience.

As long as VA are breathing down AJ neck he will not give an inch, Rex well that will be a pile of mess JQ will get Tiger share and what ever Rex thought they had.

As much as I am a fan of Gladys I am finally relived she has made mask mandatory should have been done with the Casula but this will speed up the process now. With that and NSW being the best in the world at this it will be knocked on the head quickly. All the doubters out there just look at what happened with the Avalon, Casuala, Picton etc etc etc NSW the only state capable and has proved it all whilst taking in the most internationals although that is the time bomb that will go off again. WA, like to see you have a go!

Victoria I don't have confidence in and the newly appointed Covid commander what a joke that guy is resign now mate, fancy not having the first line of defense armed and ready to go at a moments notice he should have had an army of testers on STBY ready to go but nope they turned them away due to being overloaded.

NSW tested over 40,000, 45,000, 55,000 60,000 in one day I think 35,000 today no one was sent home yes long waits but all were tested.
Apologies to the moderators as itís off topic. Victoria have sequenced all cases back to the initial NSW cluster and have no mystery cases to date. NSW aimed to nip it in the bud by Christmas Day and didnít.


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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Fonz121 View Post
This whole ďwe donít need to move fast on a vaccine as itís not a big problem for AustraliaĒ narrative needs to change.
Something for management to use their decades of influence gaining in government to push for? Company could offer free transport of the vaccine into and around the nation in exchange for an expedited rollout.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 18:13
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Apologies to the moderators as itís off topic. Victoria have sequenced all cases back to the initial NSW cluster and have no mystery cases to date. NSW aimed to nip it in the bud by Christmas Day and didnít.

Oh please you really want to play the blame game! Two Victorians started the crossroads outbreak in Sydney by bringing their strain up genomic testing proves this which was announced by John Barilaro 14th July.

The issue is Victoria should be prepared (like all other states) they are not. If you think we can eradicate this and get back to normal pinch yourself and wake up. Itís not going anywhere.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 18:28
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Oh please you really want to play the blame game! Two Victorians started the crossroads outbreak in Sydney by bringing their strain up genomic testing proves this which was announced by John Barilaro 14th July.

The issue is Victoria should be prepared (like all other states) they are not. If you think we can eradicate this and get back to normal pinch yourself and wake up. Itís not going anywhere.
I donít think anyone is blaming NSW. I certainly am not. I was a big fan of Gladysí decision making up until this outbreak- I wish she threw every defence (within her control) in the early stages. That free hit was masks, AMA said they should be mandated. You admitted it yourself it was a good move to implement (3 weeks later). Donít start me on SCG test. I love cricket but WTF?

Would have masks actually made a difference? Who knows, but we wonít die wondering.

Once again, no consistency across the board.

My biggest concern is the incompetence of Vic Govt dealing with another [email protected]ďk. Letís all cross our fingers- most Victorians are justifiably nervous and pissed off that we are in a position of uncertainty again.




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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 18:39
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I agree with Green Dot on all points. Yes mask should have been implemented when Crossroads happened my opinion hindsight is a good thing. I just read an article in the Australian QLD health have done the same, CMO requested citizen to be tested if you had been in Vic they turned out in thousands to be told to go home as it was knock off time 21:00.

What is happening now is what AJ was concerned about end of last yr he can’t run a airline that operates with open/closed borders. Let’s hope drastic measures are not taken with domestic crews.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 19:01
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Oh please you really want to play the blame game! Two Victorians started the crossroads outbreak in Sydney by bringing their strain up genomic testing proves this which was announced by John Barilaro 14th July.

The issue is Victoria should be prepared (like all other states) they are not. If you think we can eradicate this and get back to normal pinch yourself and wake up. Itís not going anywhere.
So, 2700 tests done in Qld yesterday with 76 sites operating,thats less than 40 people per testing site & the qld health minister says people must look around if they get turned away due to no capacity for a test.
Vic tested 22000+ and Nsw over 30000 i believe so in reality,what state isnt prepared??
Easy to criticise but dont just throw it all in 1 direction & like i have said before the hotel quarantine was a complete f up as was the cruise ship debacle in sydney but just maybe some states are flying under the radar right now as the focus is again on the 2 most populated states.
A bit like the 2 people who fled from melb airport the other day-they were confused they say🤔
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 19:59
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Victoria tested 22K on Saturday (more than NSW did) but were essentially at capacity.

COVID-19 testing sites across Melbourne closed within an hour of opening yesterday, swamped by thousands of Victorians requiring tests after returning from NSW and further stressed by health staff taking holiday leave.
NSW just had lower demand on Saturday, not capacity issues. I think they did more than 60K in the days before Christmas.

DHHS performing an outstanding job at letting people know what is going on.


Victorian health authorities have been forced to amend a list of potential coronavirus exposure sites after incorrectly listing locations, including one hours away from where it originally said it was.

The Department of Health and Human Services on Saturday published an alert for the Wonga Estate winery in Strathbogie, in Victoria’s northeast.

Later that day, that alert was replaced with one for the same time period but for the Wyanga winery in Lakes Entrance, a five-hour drive on the other side of the Great Dividing Range.

Australian Venue Co chief executive Paul Waterson found out via the media on Saturday afternoon that his European Bier Cafe on Exhibition Street in Melbourne's CBD was an exposure site after a confirmed case visited last week.

"We saw it on The Age website. That was the first we heard about it," he said.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 20:41
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So, 2700 tests done in Qld yesterday with 76 sites operating,thats less than 40 people per testing site & the qld health minister says people must look around if they get turned away due to no capacity for a test.
I may well be wrong but not all of those 76 sites offer free testing. Brisbane's major public hospital, RBWH, had long queues on Saturday (when people were sent away at 9:00pm) and Sunday, however friends of ours who returned from country Victoria were able to get a test, at a small cost, at another facility with minimal wait time.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 21:00
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Apologies to the moderators as itís off topic. Victoria have sequenced all cases back to the initial NSW cluster and have no mystery cases to date. NSW aimed to nip it in the bud by Christmas Day and didnít.
NSW also have another cluster that has escaped from hotel quarantine yet no outrage. Imagine if a transport worker in hotel quarantine had let the virus out in Victoria?
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 21:13
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NSW also have another cluster that has escaped from hotel quarantine yet no outrage. Imagine if a transport worker in hotel quarantine had let the virus out in Victoria?
Probably no outrage as it hasnít exploded in to 3 digit figures a day because NSW has their finger on the pulse.

But anythingís possible. If NSW turns in to a high numbers outbreak, businesses beyond the point of no recovery, etc, people will be enraged and be looking for answers, donít you worry about that .

Oh and Gladys didnít blame the average New South Welshman in an initial attempt to cover up the real reason for the outbreak. She isnít like Dan.
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