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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 8,497
The outbound restriction exists to justify the inbound restriction.
We do not want 20 million rich Asians suddenly deciding that Australia is the lifeboat from which to watch the disaster that is Covid in Asia.
........and they will bring Covid19 with them, as will returning Australian bogans if we were stupid enough to let them holiday in Bali.
We do not want 20 million rich Asians suddenly deciding that Australia is the lifeboat from which to watch the disaster that is Covid in Asia.
........and they will bring Covid19 with them, as will returning Australian bogans if we were stupid enough to let them holiday in Bali.
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Equatorial
Age: 47
Posts: 709
Originally Posted by Sunfish
The outbound restriction exists to justify the inbound restriction.
We do not want 20 million rich Asians suddenly deciding that Australia is the lifeboat from which to watch the disaster that is Covid in Asia.
........and they will bring Covid19 with them, as will returning Australian bogans if we were stupid enough to let them holiday in Bali.
We do not want 20 million rich Asians suddenly deciding that Australia is the lifeboat from which to watch the disaster that is Covid in Asia.
........and they will bring Covid19 with them, as will returning Australian bogans if we were stupid enough to let them holiday in Bali.
Singapore opening and less restrictions, many travel bubbles starting. It is a slow build but it is opening.
Thailand doing pretty well and accepting long term visitors. Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia all seem to be doing very well. China almost seems normal, have a look at the travel any of your friends living there are doing.
Yes there are areas in Asia that are a worry however Asia is a big place. I do get your point however Australia is not the be all and end all.
Now back to the thread!
It is a shame QF couldn’t have done more repatriation flights, as I stated on another thread if these flights are managed right then they will not be terrible loss makers. The diff is QF isn’t a gov airline so it took this long for the gov to step in. The QF repatriation flights are not even scratching the issue. The minute caps are removed all QF Int should be flying flat out, cargo outbound, full or Covid full with spacing inbound.
I certainly do care about QF, many mates affected. However when you see the different strategies different airlines take you do have to wonder. Many forget that there was hundreds of tonnes of cargo being moved during Covid and this kept many an airframe and crew flying.
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 19
Originally Posted by Going Nowhere
Those SA crew are treated exactly like everyone else on the EBA. They get their stand down on a rotating basis, just like everyone else on the 400. Line crew are stood down on a rotating basis according to seniority. The only exception at the moment is the C&T are avoiding stand down mostly to train the Q300 crew to the Q400.
However, as a result of their visa the SA crew can't claim JobKeeper or seek alternative employment. So they burn their leave mostly to keep some money coming in. Those leave balances aren’t infinite and now no one can go into a negative leave balance.
Think about the implications of that for a minute when there is no concrete end date to stand downs.
Do you hear them complaining? Just about all of them (There’s always someone who isn’t happy, isn’t there SDN?) are extremely grateful to be doing what they’re doing.
The grounding of the classic fleet and subsequent stand down was a commercial decision. QLink don’t choose which fleet flies where, commercial do. They decided the 400 was a better machine to use overall. Thats all there was to it.
Once the company came out that the 300 was done in QLD, they moved reasonably quickly to get the training organised. Given the number of crew to be trained and all of the border restrictions, I don’t think they’ve done that bad a job at that part of it.
By and large, the 400 crew all feel for the classic crew who got stood down. It wasn’t necessarily fair or even, but that wasn’t the goal when this kicked off.
Most are hopefully thankful that their stand down wasn’t potentially 3 years or more like many of their mates over at the mothership.
However, as a result of their visa the SA crew can't claim JobKeeper or seek alternative employment. So they burn their leave mostly to keep some money coming in. Those leave balances aren’t infinite and now no one can go into a negative leave balance.
Think about the implications of that for a minute when there is no concrete end date to stand downs.
Do you hear them complaining? Just about all of them (There’s always someone who isn’t happy, isn’t there SDN?) are extremely grateful to be doing what they’re doing.
The grounding of the classic fleet and subsequent stand down was a commercial decision. QLink don’t choose which fleet flies where, commercial do. They decided the 400 was a better machine to use overall. Thats all there was to it.
Once the company came out that the 300 was done in QLD, they moved reasonably quickly to get the training organised. Given the number of crew to be trained and all of the border restrictions, I don’t think they’ve done that bad a job at that part of it.
By and large, the 400 crew all feel for the classic crew who got stood down. It wasn’t necessarily fair or even, but that wasn’t the goal when this kicked off.
Most are hopefully thankful that their stand down wasn’t potentially 3 years or more like many of their mates over at the mothership.
I totally understand, the issue I’m trying to point out is that what was industrially unpalatable for the company 12 months ago is not now.
new rules apply
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: NDB
Age: 50
Posts: 145
Originally Posted by SDN Superstar
I totally understand, the issue I’m trying to point out is that what was industrially unpalatable for the company 12 months ago is not now.
new rules apply
new rules apply
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Home
Posts: 673
Originally Posted by SDN Superstar
I totally understand, the issue I’m trying to point out is that what was industrially unpalatable for the company 12 months ago is not now.
new rules apply
new rules apply
Not only is that an unfair suggestion to make, it would be going against the EBA.
For the record I’m not one of them but there’s some bloody good, humble pilots there who are (again for the most part) extremely grateful for the opportunity that was offered to them.
Now isn’t the time to play the man/woman because most of us here know someone who has some pretty big decisions ahead.
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 130
Originally Posted by dr dre
You can’t displace into SH during a RIN. There needs to be slots advertised to bid for.
There are no new 737 orders on the books. Apart from a handful of over 65s the vast majority of 737 pilots are well away from retirement age. There’s going to be no long haul positions to bid for for a long time. So roughly the same amount of 737 pilots will be needed in the mid term future as are needed today, and no big numbers are going to be leaving. So no large number of slots means almost no significant opportunity for LH pilots to go to SH.
Not now. There’s always a cost with training and administration to have extra pilots on the 737, away from their optimal 68ish hr divisor. Management have indicated they want no unnecessary spend so there’s no financial incentive to retrain more to SH to keep divisors low. There’s training triggers that have to be met too.
There are no new 737 orders on the books. Apart from a handful of over 65s the vast majority of 737 pilots are well away from retirement age. There’s going to be no long haul positions to bid for for a long time. So roughly the same amount of 737 pilots will be needed in the mid term future as are needed today, and no big numbers are going to be leaving. So no large number of slots means almost no significant opportunity for LH pilots to go to SH.
Not now. There’s always a cost with training and administration to have extra pilots on the 737, away from their optimal 68ish hr divisor. Management have indicated they want no unnecessary spend so there’s no financial incentive to retrain more to SH to keep divisors low. There’s training triggers that have to be met too.
That might just happen to be the same time that all current 737 pilots are back flying. It won't matter whether the divisor is 73/month as per the IA, the Company only needs to "forecast" such a divisor to meet the requirements of the IA. According to them. That's what they did during the GFC and they got away with it.
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 272
QF have said multiple times that there won’t be any vacancies on the 737. The RIN will only involve the 787/330.
if there were vacancies, they wound be filled by the oldest, most senior 380 crew....which wouldn’t help the RIN at all.
if there were vacancies, they wound be filled by the oldest, most senior 380 crew....which wouldn’t help the RIN at all.
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Weltschmerz-By-The-Sea, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 945
Originally Posted by goodonyamate
QF have said multiple times that there won’t be any vacancies on the 737. The RIN will only involve the 787/330.
if there were vacancies, they wound be filled by the oldest, most senior 380 crew....which wouldn’t help the RIN at all.
if there were vacancies, they wound be filled by the oldest, most senior 380 crew....which wouldn’t help the RIN at all.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 476
Originally Posted by goodonyamate
If there were vacancies, they wound be filled by the oldest, most senior 380 crew....which wouldn’t help the RIN at all.
Last edited by ruprecht; 31st Oct 2020 at 23:24.
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: DeShire
Posts: 110
Originally Posted by Australopithecus
I'm not sure...there are approximately 30 A pilots that the integration agreement covers who would get first shot. Perhaps none of them would take a slot, but all are at the head of the queue. An unforeseen consequence of a long-ago deal.
And how bidding for a redeployment slot is different from electing to displace when named in a RIN.
if it a 747 pilot is named in a RIN they can elect to displace A330, 787, 380. If it’s a redeployment slot then it’s different as anyone can bid for slot with seniority. Won’t be any 737 vacancies created whilst pilots are still below MGH. If moronic state premiers lift borders and SH Ramps up maybe vacancies next year but highly unlikely.
anyone know how many 747 pilots are actually left? I heard that just about all the 747 CPT had taken VR or ER. Single digits remaining.
not sure about FO or SO numbers.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: sincity
Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by Fujiroll76
So it’s apparent the company are short of crew for the upcoming bid periods on the 330 due to mass on LWOP.
I had to laugh when that email came out.
I had to laugh when that email came out.
Some of those left are in permanent iso too.
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: HKG
Posts: 284
Originally Posted by maggot
s/o rank i presume?
Some of those left are in permanent iso too.
Some of those left are in permanent iso too.
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Land of Oz
Posts: 186
The RIN will be on paper only.
It won’t transpire for yeeeeears!
I heard the Sydney office chick had to make 90 phone calls in order to get 9 pilots stood up. Most have employment outside of QF and are not willing to return unless it’s full time work.
It won’t transpire for yeeeeears!
I heard the Sydney office chick had to make 90 phone calls in order to get 9 pilots stood up. Most have employment outside of QF and are not willing to return unless it’s full time work.
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Anywhere
Posts: 13
I thought you couldn’t actually say no to being stood up again? Unless your on LWOP don’t they just have to give you 2 weeks notice to be back at work. I was under the impression they were just being polite by “asking” if you want to be stood up
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 82
Yep, there’s now discussion about enforcing longest since amongst those remaining stood down.
A large proportion of SOs that elected to stay stood down have yet to operate. So those working are burning out.
Given that some aren’t able to work under the current requirements, there’s discussion about new application for LWOP and essentially a ‘prisoner swap’ to bring back those who do want to work but took LWOP due to threat of CR only.
A large proportion of SOs that elected to stay stood down have yet to operate. So those working are burning out.
Given that some aren’t able to work under the current requirements, there’s discussion about new application for LWOP and essentially a ‘prisoner swap’ to bring back those who do want to work but took LWOP due to threat of CR only.
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The wrong time zone...
Posts: 716
My thoughts are with my aviator brethren who find themselves unemployed, stood down, redundant, on LWOP or whatever other form their employment has taken at the hands of COVID.
I see our friend Discrepancy is a victim also - and whilst I wish him no ill-will, I couldn't help but chuckle at his un-surprising narcissism where he casts comparisons of himself with Neil Armstrong...
https://www.traveller.com.au/qf32-qa...covid19-h1rswc
I see our friend Discrepancy is a victim also - and whilst I wish him no ill-will, I couldn't help but chuckle at his un-surprising narcissism where he casts comparisons of himself with Neil Armstrong...
"I'll look up to A380s overhead with memories similar to those of Neil Armstrong, when he looked to the sky and saw his footprint on the moon."
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: In a house
Posts: 387
Originally Posted by Rabbitwear
Great time for Qantas Group seniority, cancel the MOU and let the senior QF pilots take the Jetstar positions !
I’m sure the Jetstar guys will be wetting their pants with excitement.
Nice one.
