All borders to reopen.
The point being generally no-one knows if they're positive or not.
The initial "masks don't help" was about protection from getting the virus. Still correct.
Except, the reason masks are useful is stopping the unknowingly infected from spreading it.
Those who have tested positive aren't in the community.
If everyone assumes they might have the virus and acts accordingly you can have a functional society without lockdown.
In fact with that attitude shift alone the resultant infection and death rates are less than Influenza which has vaccines AND appropriate treatments.
The initial "masks don't help" was about protection from getting the virus. Still correct.
Except, the reason masks are useful is stopping the unknowingly infected from spreading it.
Those who have tested positive aren't in the community.
If everyone assumes they might have the virus and acts accordingly you can have a functional society without lockdown.
In fact with that attitude shift alone the resultant infection and death rates are less than Influenza which has vaccines AND appropriate treatments.
What’s really uncanny or just a coincidence is that Melbourne has had (and continues to have) the largest amount of international arrivals from China and the Middle East and so on, followed by Sydney. So it doesn’t surprise one that the rates of infection are what they are and the situation completely out of control.
You only have to sit and watch the amount of international passengers arriving into Australia to realise that we are never going to resolve the issue whilst this continues.
Just go and sit at the airport and watch the numbers arrive.
Unfortunately all at the expense of the Australian economy and airline industry which soon will be decimated beyond repair.
Maybe the root cause should be addressed. Stop all international arrivals full stop until this situation improves.
Just to put it out there ! Are the hotels rooms where people are allegedly isolated at being properly sanitized disinfected etc. I bet NOT........
You only have to sit and watch the amount of international passengers arriving into Australia to realise that we are never going to resolve the issue whilst this continues.
Just go and sit at the airport and watch the numbers arrive.
Unfortunately all at the expense of the Australian economy and airline industry which soon will be decimated beyond repair.
Maybe the root cause should be addressed. Stop all international arrivals full stop until this situation improves.
Just to put it out there ! Are the hotels rooms where people are allegedly isolated at being properly sanitized disinfected etc. I bet NOT........
To gigi foster (economist) and her like minded supporters. You should know our loved ones on the front line and their colleagues have made their decision. We have no intention of risking our lives and adding to the existing 330 of our infected colleagues. Should PPE, supply, process and procedures be compromised in our covid clinics, it's our intention to walk away no questions asked and no answers offered. We apologise to those who are affected who are not supporters, but we have no choice, we cannot get our heads around the ones who think our defensive measures don't apply to them and put themselves and others in harms way. We are not willing to give our lives for nothing.
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What’s really uncanny or just a coincidence is that Melbourne has had (and continues to have) the largest amount of international arrivals from China and the Middle East and so on, followed by Sydney. So it doesn’t surprise one that the rates of infection are what they are and the situation completely out of control.
You only have to sit and watch the amount of international passengers arriving into Australia to realise that we are never going to resolve the issue whilst this continues.
Just go and sit at the airport and watch the numbers arrive.
Unfortunately all at the expense of the Australian economy and airline industry which soon will be decimated beyond repair.
Maybe the root cause should be addressed. Stop all international arrivals full stop until this situation improves.
Just to put it out there ! Are the hotels rooms where people are allegedly isolated at being properly sanitized disinfected etc. I bet NOT........
You only have to sit and watch the amount of international passengers arriving into Australia to realise that we are never going to resolve the issue whilst this continues.
Just go and sit at the airport and watch the numbers arrive.
Unfortunately all at the expense of the Australian economy and airline industry which soon will be decimated beyond repair.
Maybe the root cause should be addressed. Stop all international arrivals full stop until this situation improves.
Just to put it out there ! Are the hotels rooms where people are allegedly isolated at being properly sanitized disinfected etc. I bet NOT........
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
Melbourne does not need to import, it has plenty of its own...
Since July 1, updated on July 23 -
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
Melbourne does not need to import, it has plenty of its own...
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
Melbourne does not need to import, it has plenty of its own...
And this was as of late June before Victoria stopped accepting international arrivals, with the huge majority coming from China and the ME.
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To all the Victorians (and Australians) who’s financial and emotional well-being is being effected by the second wave In Victoria....
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6175196899001
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6175196899001
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To all the Victorians (and Australians) who’s financial and emotional well-being is being effected by the second wave In Victoria....
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6175196899001
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6175196899001
The international arrivals are plenty .
saw 2 Chinese carriers in Melbourne the other day , 3 EK 777s , SQ Cx and a Qatar freighter.
In SYD , 4 Ek 777s all passenger , SQ , CX , 3 Chinese Aircraft, more than 10 wide bodies in each port in the short time I was there to see it .
saw 2 Chinese carriers in Melbourne the other day , 3 EK 777s , SQ Cx and a Qatar freighter.
In SYD , 4 Ek 777s all passenger , SQ , CX , 3 Chinese Aircraft, more than 10 wide bodies in each port in the short time I was there to see it .
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Melbourne is only accepting cargo only flights at this stage, but they are able to carry any passengers outbound; there's no restrictions with that.
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And this was as of late June before Victoria stopped accepting international arrivals, with the huge majority coming from China and the ME.
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Premier of WA doubling down on his all or nothing border approach - unlike other states opening selectively. Unless the border arrangements are reciprocal, they are basically useless anyway.
Dont expect the trans-con routes to resume before the end of the year
Dont expect the trans-con routes to resume before the end of the year
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https://iview.abc.net.au/show/offsid.../RS1908V026S00
This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
I have heard rumours that they should be closed till Christmas. That would be unrecoverable damage.
Very sorry if this is a touching subject. Reluctant even posting it. However it needs to be addressed and fixed asap.
This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
I have heard rumours that they should be closed till Christmas. That would be unrecoverable damage.
Very sorry if this is a touching subject. Reluctant even posting it. However it needs to be addressed and fixed asap.
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/offsid.../RS1908V026S00
This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
I have heard rumours that they should be closed till Christmas. That would be unrecoverable damage.
Very sorry if this is a touching subject. Reluctant even posting it. However it needs to be addressed and fixed asap.
This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
I have heard rumours that they should be closed till Christmas. That would be unrecoverable damage.
Very sorry if this is a touching subject. Reluctant even posting it. However it needs to be addressed and fixed asap.
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https://iview.abc.net.au/show/offsid.../RS1908V026S00
This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
However, there is no rational, single solution. It's balancing act, and I reckon Australia is doing pretty well. Room for improvement? Sure, but certainly not the wooden spoon amongst the globe.
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Feeling like you have no option but to kill yourself is not a choice.
Given the comorbidities of covid maybe dying of covid is a choice. You should’ve taken your vitamin D.
TL8, Thanks for posting that.
It is a shocking stat that needs to see the cold light of day.
I have always harboured the view that the hushed, covered up reporting of suicides is as much about an administrations embarrassment (as is anyone would choose such an option whilst Comrade Dan was in charge), as it is about copy-cat issues. There will always be a cohort that cannot cope, that is the nature of things. But as SS3K said above, it's going to be a terrible year before it gets better.
I also agree that everyone is doing the best they can, pretty much.
It is a shocking stat that needs to see the cold light of day.
I have always harboured the view that the hushed, covered up reporting of suicides is as much about an administrations embarrassment (as is anyone would choose such an option whilst Comrade Dan was in charge), as it is about copy-cat issues. There will always be a cohort that cannot cope, that is the nature of things. But as SS3K said above, it's going to be a terrible year before it gets better.
I also agree that everyone is doing the best they can, pretty much.
He is saying that if TurnLeft080’s advice is followed a person subsequently fatally infected will have been murdered. And I agree. Anyone advocating such idiocy should have the decency to become infected first if only to lend some anecdotal weight to their stance.