Air NZ pilot redundancies
Originally Posted by dragon man
For what it’s worth there will be redundancy of pilots in Qantas. They are working on a package for the over sixties at the moment and my guess is if that doesn’t get enough it will be compulsory redundancy.
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Well either way, to be on any international fleet wether at Virgin, QANTAS, AirNZ or Jetstar there will be downsizing by how much who knows. I was referencing Domestic I do t think QF or JQ will get rid of to many from what I have seen over the last week people want to holiday and soon as borders open the gradual increase will commence. Jetstar already ran a lean ship always relied on WOD payments to crew flights so maybe they could have the right numbers. Virgin will be smaller that’s the only definite at the moment and QF will be ready to pick up the slack.
Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
do you have a guesstimate on the number? I would have thought around 300-350
I think Jetstar will handle it by not re-opening bases, it is in the EBA and the CEA in NZ that pilots can be made redundant according to effected BASES and RANK and EQUIPMENT so it would be easy to say, CNS, PER and CHC won’t reopen. It seems to be the way they are going as all planned flying at the moment and for the foreseeable future is out of the main bases.
Originally Posted by dragon man
I was thinking a bit higher however it depends if they choose to shaft the Jetstar 787 pilots as they are cheaper to make redundant then repaint those aircraft in Qantas colours and crew them with Qantas pilots. As I see things jobkeeper at the moment finishes on September 30 Qantas is required to give 90 days notice of redundancies, so I’m thinking October it will start and it won’t only be pilots.
just so sad for everyone...no matter your tail. Look after each other, call a mate, whatever. China have a lot to answer for.
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You guys are just speculating rubbish.
QF haven’t made a pilot redundant in most of our lifetimes.
There is a demographic problem at the top with retirements this decade from lack of recruitment. There is also the stand down provisions in the eba to cover any surpluses.
So my guess is there will be a bit of fruit offered to the 747 guys to avoid an expensive RIN. Everyone else will roster share and the use of stand down will be applied for as long as needed.
Shorthaul will be largely back at work by the fourth quarter.
Jetstar? Who knows. But it’s a lesson to put all your eggs in the Bali basket. The entire operation is exposed to any hiccups over there. It’ll be a volcano next. Those 787s would come in mighty handy on the QF 2 crew network in the future. Jakarta, Bali, transcontinental, NZ etc.
QF haven’t made a pilot redundant in most of our lifetimes.
There is a demographic problem at the top with retirements this decade from lack of recruitment. There is also the stand down provisions in the eba to cover any surpluses.
So my guess is there will be a bit of fruit offered to the 747 guys to avoid an expensive RIN. Everyone else will roster share and the use of stand down will be applied for as long as needed.
Shorthaul will be largely back at work by the fourth quarter.
Jetstar? Who knows. But it’s a lesson to put all your eggs in the Bali basket. The entire operation is exposed to any hiccups over there. It’ll be a volcano next. Those 787s would come in mighty handy on the QF 2 crew network in the future. Jakarta, Bali, transcontinental, NZ etc.
Mate I hope you’re right
all depends on the plan they e just come up with. AIPA will know next week
anyway, apologies to the ANZ crew.
I hope you guys and girls can have some certainty soon.
all depends on the plan they e just come up with. AIPA will know next week
anyway, apologies to the ANZ crew.
I hope you guys and girls can have some certainty soon.
Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
She ticks all the diversity boxes so she won't be going anywhere. During the search for the new CEO her name had popped up in a few conversations, thank christ that never eventuated.
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Every employee group at Air NZ, who has had Carrie as a manager has been shafted and disrespected in some way. Just look at her run in with the engineers early last year.
She destroyed the moral at Eagle, and had a total lack of respect for the CEA with her novel interpretations of long standing clauses.
I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.
She destroyed the moral at Eagle, and had a total lack of respect for the CEA with her novel interpretations of long standing clauses.
I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.
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Originally Posted by 6080ft
Every employee group at Air NZ, who has had Carrie as a manager has been shafted and disrespected in some way. Just look at her run in with the engineers early last year.
She destroyed the moral at Eagle, and had a total lack of respect for the CEA with her novel interpretations of long standing clauses.
I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.
She destroyed the moral at Eagle, and had a total lack of respect for the CEA with her novel interpretations of long standing clauses.
I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.
Look at the engineers. They worked tirelessly to keep us operating through the RR engine debacle only to have their overtime attacked and select details of their CEA released to the media out of context to garner public support.
HPE was already on life support, I’d say she’s about to kill it.
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho
This is my biggest concern. Her “management” style is confrontational and vindictive, almost like a spoiled teenager trying to get their way. I fear she’ll do more damage to the Relationship between Pilots and Management than COVID will.
Look at the engineers. They worked tirelessly to keep us operating through the RR engine debacle only to have their overtime attacked and select details of their CEA released to the media out of context to garner public support.
HPE was already on life support, I’d say she’s about to kill it.
Look at the engineers. They worked tirelessly to keep us operating through the RR engine debacle only to have their overtime attacked and select details of their CEA released to the media out of context to garner public support.
HPE was already on life support, I’d say she’s about to kill it.
Originally Posted by ElZilcho
Her “management” style is confrontational and vindictive, almost like a spoiled teenager trying to get their way.
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Has anyone seen the latest of BA? Im just worried that the company might take more drastic action and make a heap of redundancies and rehire on a completely new contract or get rid of people by fleet if no one is willing to come to the party for short term concessions.
Originally Posted by Kiwi9
Has anyone seen the latest of BA? Im just worried that the company might take more drastic action and make a heap of redundancies and rehire on a completely new contract or get rid of people by fleet if no one is willing to come to the party for short term concessions.
Will they ask for a higher % Salary reduction for the next 3 months in accordance with the AFFA table? Or will they ask specific fleet/ranks to "voluntarily" take LWOP? Hard to say. As they can crew the (few) Widebodies with Capt's and FO's, perhaps they'll pressure the SO's (under fear of rendundancy) to accept 3 months LWOP. Time will tell I suppose, but if we accept Greg's email as written, he sees further redundancies as a last resort (as they too cost time and money before having any effect).
Originally Posted by 6080ft
Every employee group at Air NZ, who has had Carrie as a manager has been shafted and disrespected in some way. Just look at her run in with the engineers early last year.
She destroyed the moral at Eagle, and had a total lack of respect for the CEA with her novel interpretations of long standing clauses.
I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.
She destroyed the moral at Eagle, and had a total lack of respect for the CEA with her novel interpretations of long standing clauses.
I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.
How the hell is that incompetent woman still on the payroll?
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Regional pilots are to be back on full pay from next roster with the RAFFA agreement ending due to being back to over 60% July 2019 capacity. Due to inefficiencies in the schedule that is a requirement for 85% the crew they had July 2019 already.
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Originally Posted by viatheairporthold
Regional pilots are to be back on full pay from next roster with the RAFFA agreement ending due to being back to over 60% July 2019 capacity. Due to inefficiencies in the schedule that is a requirement for 85% the crew they had July 2019 already.
For the Jets, when the rosters hit (or are set to hit) 60 hours, then redundant/furloughed pilots must be brought back to reduce it below 60 hours. And only WHEN all redundant/furloughed pilots have returned, can they cancel the AFFA, should it still be in place.
It is unfortunate that the RAFFA didn't retain similar wording, because now there are 50-odd guys and girls struggling to find supermarket jobs while the people just above them on the seniority are back on full-time pay and rosters.
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Yes that is unfortunate, I assume that means the deferred crew who kept their jobs for the life of the RAFFA are now safe (for now at least), but my understanding is there is no clear wording regarding them either once the RAFFA is canned. It would be interesting to see how many new pilots started since July 2019 so we can gauge how many pilots '85% July 2019' actually is.
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Originally Posted by viatheairporthold
Yes that is unfortunate, I assume that means the deferred crew who kept their jobs for the life of the RAFFA are now safe (for now at least), but my understanding is there is no clear wording regarding them either once the RAFFA is canned. It would be interesting to see how many new pilots started since July 2019 so we can gauge how many pilots '85% July 2019' actually is.
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