VA pilots worried about employment 2021
The ability to introduce these drugs into the general population is still months away. Trials need to be held and analysed etc etc. Not done in a week.
PS; VA Intl, NZ ops and VARA kaput... so we're back to the beginning of an all 737 low cost carriers which it never should have left. Thanks JB..
It could be, say, 6 months instead of 12-18.
Some of the more intelligent amongst you should grow the f@%& Up.
Yes, a lot of our jobs are on the line, mine included. I'm waiting for the call any day, but FFS have a think about the fear you are spreading. Are you talking like this in front of your children? What pleasure does it give you to see people paralysed by fear?
Feed courage, don't feed fear.
Have a think about who the most vulnerable are here, it ain't you.
Yes, a lot of our jobs are on the line, mine included. I'm waiting for the call any day, but FFS have a think about the fear you are spreading. Are you talking like this in front of your children? What pleasure does it give you to see people paralysed by fear?
Feed courage, don't feed fear.
Have a think about who the most vulnerable are here, it ain't you.
LETTER FROM TORONTO: An Infectious Diseases Specialist Reflects on COVID-19
I’m a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I’ve been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria…there is little I haven’t been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they ” probably don’t have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know…” and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games…that could be kiboshed too. Can you even imagine?
I’m scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I’m scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, open-mindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and “fight for yourself above all else” attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let’s meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
Dr. Abdhu Sharkawy
I’m a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I’ve been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria…there is little I haven’t been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they ” probably don’t have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know…” and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games…that could be kiboshed too. Can you even imagine?
I’m scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I’m scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, open-mindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and “fight for yourself above all else” attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let’s meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
Dr. Abdhu Sharkawy
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Looking at the VA booking website which has just been updated it looks like B777s being taken offline late March till 14th April and Bne-Hnd still scheduled to commence 3 times a week so that should be a heads up about the impending announcement ( maybe)
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Some of the more intelligent amongst you should grow the f@%& Up.
Yes, a lot of our jobs are on the line, mine included. I'm waiting for the call any day, but FFS have a think about the fear you are spreading. Are you talking like this in front of your children? What pleasure does it give you to see people paralysed by fear?
Feed courage, don't feed fear.
Have a think about who the most vulnerable are here, it ain't you.
Yes, a lot of our jobs are on the line, mine included. I'm waiting for the call any day, but FFS have a think about the fear you are spreading. Are you talking like this in front of your children? What pleasure does it give you to see people paralysed by fear?
Feed courage, don't feed fear.
Have a think about who the most vulnerable are here, it ain't you.
That’s not my understanding - I believe the Government has waived Air Services fees and the jet fuel excise, and the value of this is $750m. However, if aircraft aren’t flying, they won’t be charged any nav fees and won’t be using any jet fuel. EDIT:It does look like the government is refunding fees already paid by the airlines - this is a good start.
However, the airlines are going to need cash injections, and fairly large ones. The sooner the government realises this and supports this, the more secure some of us may feel about our jobs.
However, the airlines are going to need cash injections, and fairly large ones. The sooner the government realises this and supports this, the more secure some of us may feel about our jobs.
Last edited by Colonel_Klink; 17th Mar 2020 at 21:08. Reason: Updated info
Edit: My bad, looks like it is scheduled again from June onwards now.
Has anything official been announced? I haven't read anything about it yet.
Key points:
• Suspension of all international flying from 30 March to 14 June 2020
• Group domestic capacity reduction of 50 per cent until 14 June 2020
• Temporary grounding of the equivalent of 53 aircraft from the Group’s fleet
• Dedicated customer care hub for impacted guests at virginaustralia.com
18 March 2020: The Virgin Australia Group has today announced a temporary suspension of international services and further cuts to domestic capacity in response to expanded government travel restrictions and increased impacts from COVID-19 on travel demand.
As a leading airline group, Virgin Australia will work closely with Government to prioritise bringing Australians home and returning visitors back to their point of origin safely, while maintaining its important role in supporting connectivity and the nation’s economy.
CEO Commentary
Virgin Australia CEO and Managing Director Paul Scurrah said, “We have entered an unprecedented time in the global aviation industry, which has required us to take significant action to responsibly manage our business while balancing traveller demands and supporting the wellbeing of Australians.
“We have responded by making tough decisions which include reducing our domestic capacity and phasing in the temporary suspension of international flying for a period of two and a half months.
International changes
The Group will suspend all international flying for a period of two and a half months in response to the new travel restrictions announced by Government. This includes the grounding of five Boeing 777, one Airbus A330 and fourteen Boeing 737 aircraft from the Group’s international fleet.
The changes include:
• Temporary suspension of all international services from 30 March to 14 June 2020 inclusive.
• Melbourne to Los Angeles services suspended from 20 March.
• Inaugural Brisbane to Haneda service, postponed from 29 March.
• Inaugural Melbourne to Denpasar service, postponed from 29 March.
Virgin Australia will operate a reduced international schedule
Domestic changes
In response to weakened demand, the Group will reduce domestic capacity by around 50 per cent until 14 June 2020. This includes the grounding of twenty Boeing 737, six A320, two ATR and five Airbus A330 aircraft from the Group’s domestic fleet.
The route and schedule detail of these changes across Virgin Australia and Tigerair Australia is currently being worked through and will be published over the next week.
Impact on our people
The temporary grounding of the international fleet and reduction in domestic capacity will impact the company’s workforce and the Group is working constructively with our team members and their unions.
The Group is undertaking a range of measures to address the current situation including the use of accrued annual leave, leave without pay, redeployment and, in some circumstances, redundancies.
These are in addition to measures we’ve already announced, including the temporary reduction in Chairman and Board of Director fees by 15 per cent, removal of management bonuses, no base salary increases for non-EA team members and additional leave measures.
- ISA
- GLA
- ROK (as well as VA737)
- POM (initially done by VAI with 30% load factors)
- EML
- BDB
- ASP
Do you really think any of those routes would support a 737 flying to them? Qlink fly Dash 8s to most of those regional QLD ports (or 717s).
So if Alliance stops the flying, those routes get cancelled. Simple. Is that what you want? Because that is what will happen - VA aren’t going to be putting a 737 on BNE-EML, I can assure you of that. Do you want to lose all the on carriage from those ports? Do you want to give all that market share to the competitor- who will then price gouge the s#@! out of those places? This doesn’t take into account the fact VA has a contract with QQ - and I would imagine it has penalty clauses in it for cancelling early (unless there is a ‘force majeure’ clause give current circumstances).
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What’s what I have no idea and I don’t think anyone actually knows when the wet lease finishes, apparently they can’t get out of the wet lease contracts which I think most people agree isn’t right - surely they can’t be running empty planes around during this stuff and getting paid ? It’s going to leave a mighty bitter taste in the mouths of va pilots who can’t pay mortgages watching qq flights departing from their terminal ...
Perhaps theres no tone in my question.
There is no debate to be had on past mis-management, nor the capability of a Aerodrome to support a particular airframe, ect. Yes you are correct on all.
I could point out they just grounded 2 ATR’s which are very capable in the hands of any 3rd world airline.
However at a time when everything from accomodation to catering is being wound back and redundancies are being communicated from PS, I’d be more encouraged if they’ll wind up this particular excess.
“on carriage” is a moot point now, so canceled routes are not going to matter.
There is no debate to be had on past mis-management, nor the capability of a Aerodrome to support a particular airframe, ect. Yes you are correct on all.
I could point out they just grounded 2 ATR’s which are very capable in the hands of any 3rd world airline.
However at a time when everything from accomodation to catering is being wound back and redundancies are being communicated from PS, I’d be more encouraged if they’ll wind up this particular excess.
“on carriage” is a moot point now, so canceled routes are not going to matter.
The QQ flying is a bit of a furphy - what do you actually want to happen with those routes? Having a look today, QQ fly the following from BNE:
- ISA
- GLA
- ROK (as well as VA737)
- POM (initially done by VAI with 30% load factors)
- EML
- BDB
- ASP
Do you really think any of those routes would support a 737 flying to them? Qlink fly Dash 8s to most of those regional QLD ports (or 717s).
So if Alliance stops the flying, those routes get cancelled. Simple. Is that what you want? Because that is what will happen - VA aren’t going to be putting a 737 on BNE-EML, I can assure you of that. Do you want to lose all the on carriage from those ports? Do you want to give all that market share to the competitor- who will then price gouge the s#@! out of those places? This doesn’t take into account the fact VA has a contract with QQ - and I would imagine it has penalty clauses in it for cancelling early (unless there is a ‘force majeure’ clause give current circumstances).
- ISA
- GLA
- ROK (as well as VA737)
- POM (initially done by VAI with 30% load factors)
- EML
- BDB
- ASP
Do you really think any of those routes would support a 737 flying to them? Qlink fly Dash 8s to most of those regional QLD ports (or 717s).
So if Alliance stops the flying, those routes get cancelled. Simple. Is that what you want? Because that is what will happen - VA aren’t going to be putting a 737 on BNE-EML, I can assure you of that. Do you want to lose all the on carriage from those ports? Do you want to give all that market share to the competitor- who will then price gouge the s#@! out of those places? This doesn’t take into account the fact VA has a contract with QQ - and I would imagine it has penalty clauses in it for cancelling early (unless there is a ‘force majeure’ clause give current circumstances).
You are a strange person Paragraph377, seemingly you have nothing better to do than spend your days trolling and taking pleasure in the fact that Airlines might go belly up. Your comments are unhelpful and potentially quite upsetting to people who are worried for their jobs and the financial health of their families. I just don't get why you seem to be determined to hurt people. Maybe you have never had the misfortune of losing a job or being in an airline in financial difficulty, I have and the last thing you need is someone constantly speculating that your airline is about to go bust in such a gloating fashion. Why don't you just go get your photo albums and logbooks out and sit there and reminisce what a legend in your own lifetime you used to be and how you used to enjoy telling everyone who good you were.
Ollie
Ollie
Don’t bring yourselves down to his level.
Direct your energies towards staying positive and providing support to your colleagues, no matter what tail they fly during these extraordinary times.
Direct your energies towards staying positive and providing support to your colleagues, no matter what tail they fly during these extraordinary times.
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There isn’t a major drop of in traffic on Dom yet. Still fairly busy.
"Qantas and Jetstar will cut international capacity by about 90 per cent, and domestic capacity by around 60 per cent, until at least the end of May."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...-cent/12062328