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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 19:52
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Ppl on the rush home, I have 170 and 190 today. Although this could be my last day flying for a long time if not indefinitely.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 10:39
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Queensland border now also closed.
Permanently?
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 21:47
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Just announced Virgin standing down 8000 people. Good luck all.

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Old 24th Mar 2020, 21:49
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All flying except aircraft movements gone till end of a June

update: flying reduced to 90%, serious consolidation amongst the group. Good luck everyone.

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Old 24th Mar 2020, 22:21
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It's very unpalatable, but this may well save Virgin.

Permanently get rid of Tiger, downsize aircraft and staff to a core that can allow a break even operation when it all comes back after COVID (and it will).

Good luck to all.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 22:23
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From the ASX this AM:
* Capacity reduction 90%. 125 aircraft grounded until mid June
* Tiger grounded immediately.
* 8000 staff stood down.
* Closure of NZ pilot and cabin crew base, Tiger MEL pilot base.

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Old 24th Mar 2020, 23:58
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So all Tiger and NZ pilots are being offered redundancies. Is that how that is to be interpreted? And everyone else is just being stood down.

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 00:15
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Today's ASX notice says (in part):
“We plan to return Tigerair Australia and Virgin Australia to the skies as soon as its viable to do so, however I am mindful that how we operate today may look different when we get to the other side of this crisis......"
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 00:39
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QAN is in a much stronger position than VAH because of its much higher level of fleet owned versus fleet leased. QAN owns its 14 787s (11 delivered) and based on today's announcements, looks to be able to raise more than $2b if required againast those 14 787s on favourable terms, while VAH can't do the same with its much higher proprotion of leased aircraft, which presumably it must keep paying leases on even while drawing no revenue? I believe VAH only owns 4 of its B777s and leases all of the A330s and ATRs and around half its B737s.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 00:47
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Turns out closing borders 2 months too late doesn’t work out too well for domestic travel or the economy as a whole.

The Government knew this was coming and buried their head in the sand putting lives at risk, closing companies and putting people out of work.

The other night I was shown a clip of the prime minister saying “stop it” in reference to people hoarding. While I don’t condone hoarding what do you expect people to do given the pathetic speed and measures put in place?

You have a live real life example of a first world country with a high end medical system being absolutely crippled and yet you standby with slow soft measures when time and discipline are the key to the battle.

Can we get someone Left/Right/Centre with a goddamned backbone to run this country at any stage? They should be hung for their inaction.

Absolute disgrace.

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 00:55
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All leasing companies have to come to the party and suck it up. i.e. renegotiated. Every industry is being cut what makes them so special.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 01:55
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I agree wholeheartedly with the need for hard measures right now, Like today. Actually, like early January. Politicians are still trying to look measured and wise. They instead need to set the tone, order people indoors, empower the police, and armed forces if required, to immediately detain offenders. Suspend habeas corpus.

Instead we are going to prolong this event until 100 more people die, another week is lost and everyone, including thectreasury, is flat broke.

That idiot Trump is putting America on a path to disaster and Scumo is going to wimp us into the same trajectory until it is too late.

Maybe he thinks his third-rate marketing skills will be enough to convince people not to get sick? Leadership...where the bloody hell are you?
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:01
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to immediately detain offenders.
They cannot as they would very quickly run out of cells. That is why fines apply under the Public Health Act.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:09
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**** ‘em. Put them out in the desert. If this virus was 10% fatal they’d shoot on sight.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:09
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What's so difficult for people to understand that this is doubling every 3 days. The mathematics are fairly simple. There's been far too much of "I can't see it, so it's not real"

That useless wimp Scomo needs to act now (today) and lockdown the country for a minimum of 3 weeks. No ifs ands or buts. Use the military and police if required.

Do your bloody job Prime Minister and lead for once.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:16
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
I agree wholeheartedly with the need for hard measures right now, Like today. Actually, like early January. Politicians are still trying to look measured and wise. They instead need to set the tone, order people indoors, empower the police, and armed forces if required, to immediately detain offenders. Suspend habeas corpus.

Instead we are going to prolong this event until 100 more people die, another week is lost and everyone, including thectreasury, is flat broke.

That idiot Trump is putting America on a path to disaster and Scumo is going to wimp us into the same trajectory until it is too late.

Maybe he thinks his third-rate marketing skills will be enough to convince people not to get sick? Leadership...where the bloody hell are you?
"So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 220,000 illnesses and more than 9,300 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

Just for some perspective.

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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:21
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The amount of people calling for a essentially Police State/Military Dictatorship over something that is less fatal than the Flu is somewhat concerning.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:26
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Anyway, back on topic....

I thought it was interesting how Tiger will fly under Virgins AOC. Didn't they try that before?
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:29
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Perspective? Really? FFS. This virus is at least twice as infectious as the flu, It is anywhere from 10 tp 40 times more deadly, smd there is no vaccine, no treatment, and no herd immunity. How’s that for ******* perspective?
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 02:29
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The amount of people saying this is just another flu strain and that the mortality is lower is somewhat concerning.

Mortality rates for the flu is about 0.1%.

Mortality rate for covid-19 is about 4.4% at the moment.


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