F100 - Overshot Runway at Newman Airport (9/1/2020)
How do you know that they “slid” off the end of the runway?
Fokker build pretty solid aircraft, with the position of the rescue worker it’s difficult to observe any nose gear damage, however the aircraft appears to be in a normal attitude.
No doubt being in QF colours and transporting mine staff, the investigation will be very thorough. Expect restrictions on weather conditions, crew retraining and possible increased minimum experience requirements IF this was a factor.
No doubt being in QF colours and transporting mine staff, the investigation will be very thorough. Expect restrictions on weather conditions, crew retraining and possible increased minimum experience requirements IF this was a factor.
Whilst Qantas want everyone to think that boarding a plane with a kangaroo on the tail is flying with Qantas..... Well I have news for you.
Perth to Newman is not the same as Sydney to Melbourne, or Brisbane to Mackay or Melbourne to Hobart The whole operation is a con. Buyer beware.
Perth to Newman is not the same as Sydney to Melbourne, or Brisbane to Mackay or Melbourne to Hobart The whole operation is a con. Buyer beware.
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Whilst Qantas want everyone to think that boarding a plane with a kangaroo on the tail is flying with Qantas..... Well I have news for you.
Perth to Newman is not the same as Sydney to Melbourne, or Brisbane to Mackay or Melbourne to Hobart The whole operation is a con. Buyer beware.
Perth to Newman is not the same as Sydney to Melbourne, or Brisbane to Mackay or Melbourne to Hobart The whole operation is a con. Buyer beware.
Interesting that flights to Broome were all cancelled when the system passed nearby however with a near identical forecast no flights to any of the mine sites or Newman were cancelled.
Shows the pressure and influence that the Mines have on the airlines (not just QF).
Shows the pressure and influence that the Mines have on the airlines (not just QF).
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As far as I can see, they’ve followed their SOP’s after the incident and there’s actually nothing interesting here at all.
Interesting that flights to Broome were all cancelled when the system passed nearby however with a near identical forecast no flights to any of the mine sites or Newman were cancelled.
Shows the pressure and influence that the Mines have on the airlines (not just QF).
Shows the pressure and influence that the Mines have on the airlines (not just QF).
Or there are procedures for avoiding “cyclones” (ie up near Broome), where the region might be in yellow or red alerts; but not for “ex cyclones” and their associated weather as there aren’t yellow or red alerts for ex cyclones.
Mines don’t put on too much pressure, not in my experience anyway. Especially if you pull the safety card. Been there done that, they didn’t (and wouldn’t) complain.
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This post in no critique of the individuals involved, rather more of a post about mine procurement.
Qantas have spent a lot of time and energy to convince the traveling public that contractors and subsidiary aircraft and crew are interchangeable. (Again this is not directed at crew)
At least one big industrialist refuses the subsidiary "interchange" and insists on Qantas registered and Qantas crew operated aircraft: Mines are dangerous places, risk mitigation is a prime focus.
From sources in the industry, there may well be a review of Qantas "light" services being operated into mine sites that have been sold as Qantas to the companies concerned.
Qantas have spent a lot of time and energy to convince the traveling public that contractors and subsidiary aircraft and crew are interchangeable. (Again this is not directed at crew)
At least one big industrialist refuses the subsidiary "interchange" and insists on Qantas registered and Qantas crew operated aircraft: Mines are dangerous places, risk mitigation is a prime focus.
From sources in the industry, there may well be a review of Qantas "light" services being operated into mine sites that have been sold as Qantas to the companies concerned.
Love to know your source Rated? Or were you just wishfully stroking your epaulets and salivating at the thought of another stripe courtesy of Link, aka ‘light’s’ stuff up? I suspect the correct spelling is sauce and it refers to the mess you made.
All for one and one for one eh....
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Whilst Qantas want everyone to think that boarding a plane with a kangaroo on the tail is flying with Qantas..... Well I have news for you.
Perth to Newman is not the same as Sydney to Melbourne, or Brisbane to Mackay or Melbourne to Hobart The whole operation is a con. Buyer beware.
Perth to Newman is not the same as Sydney to Melbourne, or Brisbane to Mackay or Melbourne to Hobart The whole operation is a con. Buyer beware.
Getting paid more and flying around with your nose in the air doesn't mean S#it.
There are going to be weak links in every chain. Human mistakes will happen, minor and major, Mainline and subsidiary.
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The brakes aren't fantastic in the F100 before you start when she's heavy, combined with idle thrust reverse and the possibility of standing water on the runway ...
Inappropriate use of reverse thrust was a factor in the QF1 overrun at Bangkok in 1999.
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It's not uncommon to see everything left hanging out after an incident like this. Sure, as you say they're supposed to put it all away, but the original poster's touch of sarcasm may have been lost on you.
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Lookout - GT the airsafety investigator is in the house...
A snippet of wisdom from the West Australian that the Airline Ratings guru has penned.
Wow.
Was it 'well within QLink limits'? Interesting. Can anyone clarify from the Q group?
Was the approach commenced within required AIP limits?
Was it inside aircraft manufacturer recommended limits? (Fokker drivers?)
GT is drinking as usual from the Q coolaid - and clearly still cannot contribute a concise, unbiased, objective honest piece of so called journalism to save himself. What a joke.
Would this plane spotting ex baggage handler even have the slightest clue as to what 'the weather was bad at time of landing' even means? What does it mean? A disgrace that news publications (print) and tv networks succumb to and use such trash sources to report to the masses.
Clearly the ATSB have no use here, as GT is on the job as usual.
(info gleaned so far is Flap 25 landing, approach speed 160 knots)
Wow.
Was it 'well within QLink limits'? Interesting. Can anyone clarify from the Q group?
Was the approach commenced within required AIP limits?
Was it inside aircraft manufacturer recommended limits? (Fokker drivers?)
GT is drinking as usual from the Q coolaid - and clearly still cannot contribute a concise, unbiased, objective honest piece of so called journalism to save himself. What a joke.
Would this plane spotting ex baggage handler even have the slightest clue as to what 'the weather was bad at time of landing' even means? What does it mean? A disgrace that news publications (print) and tv networks succumb to and use such trash sources to report to the masses.
Clearly the ATSB have no use here, as GT is on the job as usual.
(info gleaned so far is Flap 25 landing, approach speed 160 knots)
It is understood that while the weather at the time of landing was bad it was well within QantasLink limits.
You can use max reverse - if stopping solution / reject requires, with a restricted zone 57-75%N1 you can’t spend more than two seconds in without a fan inspection, so the Fokkers are normally idle reverse.
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In any case, if I saw the end of the runway coming up I’d be pulling that reverse lever off the hinges..
The safety standards mines apply are very high and demanding. Regular audits are carried out on air service providers and contracts terminated when expectations aren’t met.
I remember a case where a Bandit hit a kangaroo on landing, this resulted in the strip being fenced and an inspection having to be carried out prior to any aircraft arriving, with the patrol vehicle remaining at the airport on standby whilst the flight turned around.
I remember a case where a Bandit hit a kangaroo on landing, this resulted in the strip being fenced and an inspection having to be carried out prior to any aircraft arriving, with the patrol vehicle remaining at the airport on standby whilst the flight turned around.
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Newman is about 200m longer than the full factored LDR for a F25 wet runway landing in the Dutch oven, whilst I don't know all the extenuating circumstances, parking a jet in the mud is most definitely not a good result and I'm pretty sure most of the inhabitants of BS Castle would agree
In a nutshell, the FAA are saying you need to add 30 to 40% factoring, not 15%. We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of even moderate rainfall on ungrooved runways, should be considered contaminated for braking action. Heavy rainfall is defined as >50+ mm in the last 24 hours by the World Meteorological Organisation.
I do also note that the BOM rainfall figures for Newman on the 9th Jan indicated 70+ mm of rainfall between midnight and 0900 and 140+ mm in the previous 24 hour period. The ATSB incident status page indicates the incident occurred at 0723 WAST, the BOM observations are posted below with the rainfall since 0900 in the far right column.
Unfortunately, all too predictable over-runs in similar circumstances on short wet ungrooved runways will continue to occur until the operators start taking the SAFO recommendations into account and increase factoring during arrival periods of moderate to heavy rainfall.
BOM Mount Newman observations 09-Jan-2020, rainfall since 0900 far right Column
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You can’t be in that range of 57 to 75% for two seconds but full reverse would normally pass through that range.. Max reverse does not require a fan blade inspection. The AoM calls for engineering to be notified and that is all.
In any case, if I saw the end of the runway coming up I’d be pulling that reverse lever off the hinges..
In any case, if I saw the end of the runway coming up I’d be pulling that reverse lever off the hinges..
As for stowing the reversers, pulling both reversers is the backup for liftdumper activation on the Fokker, and you certainly don't want those barn doors sticking out when evacuating.
If it's almost never wet there, I'd assume a bit of rain after a long dry spell would result in extra slippery conditions.
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Unfortunately, all too predictable over-runs in similar circumstances on short wet ungrooved runways will continue to occur until the operators start taking the SAFO recommendations into account and increase factoring during arrival periods of moderate to heavy rainfall.