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QF Flight Attendant Accused of Racism by will.i.am

Old 17th Nov 2019, 08:28
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The Veronicas stunt was set up by them to publicise their reality TV show.

And this. Well maybe put him on a no fly list for 12 months. He can get a ship back.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 08:28
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Will.You.Arenít


Now, I will be the first to acknowledge that most elements of Qantas service these days are substandard. Regardless, what an absolutely egotistical ****. Idiot rockstars who expect to be allowed to do as they wish because everybody panders to each of their inflated needs. They donít like situations in which they are not the ones in control and not the ones calling the shots, such as on a commercial flight where the the crew have legal delegations under the civil aviation safety act. And of course, the police, who have legal powers also as defined under an Act. Poor old sooky Mr Rockstar couldnít handle being Ďdirectedí.

Hey Will You Arenít, go home you muppet. We donít want you here, go home. And itís not about skin colour, itís because you are a knob. And as far as racism goes, you have the word Ďblackí in your band title, isnít that racist?
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 08:36
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many Captains that lazily just take a FA's word regardless of fact.
Like most pilots, I enjoy nothing more in my spare time than having to justify myself to management and filling out extra paperwork. What better opportunity than to lazily take an FA’s word for it and stitch up a perfectly innocent celebrity?
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post

is this guy for real? Inspect the service and toilets? And “ill send the FO back”, might have been acceptable in 1975 mate but post 9/11, flight crew at my company are strongly advised NOT to get involved with unruly passengers.
sorry, I’m still laughing at the thought of a Captain inspecting the alcholol service. That’s a belter
Next time on a Melbourne- Canberra, I'll think I might try this...might ask some EP questions too, like where is the location of the laerdal mask at R2, the FA's will love it!
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 08:50
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Iím no fan of the use of the race card, but the comments from other passengers (supporting will.i.am) would seem to add credence to his story.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 09:08
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What a loser..has he not heard of Apple EarPods...?!
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 09:38
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Just another second/third/whatever rate 'entertainer' trying to raise his profile AFAIC!

Anyone wishing to disagree with that; Your right to do so is acknowledged.

Oh, and I wear noise reduction/cancelling headphones when travelling to and from Japan each year and I can still always hear the in flight announcements.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 09:56
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FWIW I suspect a heavy handed F/A / crew and an egotistical lefty/muso ígodí used to being feted by all those around.

What I find absolutely disgraceful is the use of the race card.

Australian neo Nazi rules are incomprehensible to the rest of the world. That does NOT make for an attack based on race.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by 73qanda View Post

Bendy , the above statement shows that you A) arenít currently a pilot in an Ausi Airline and B) Donít know the current rules/regs around flight deck security.
Police, bar managers, Airline Captains etc will all differ as individuals as to how they apply the legislation. I reckon Will I am just came across someone who applied the rules hard and fast and was not going to muck around with third or fourth chances to comply with crew instructions. Itís also not unthinkable that the crew member was under stress and over reacted. Who knows? Probably no one on this forum.
Itís tricky as a Captain, I started off just backing the crew and after a few years had one situation where, if I could go back in time, I would have played a cooler hand. Since then, Iím a little more judicious around these events and give quite clear instructions about de escalating the situation and changing which crew member is dealing with the difficult pax etc.
Edited to add; strangely enough, my first ever disruptive pax ( departing Brisbane) as a Captain was also a mega famous American rapper although he was from the first generation of rap super stars and started disrupting business class before we even pushed back.
The Captain (during "flight") is in charge of the entire ship, delegation is an option of duty but never removes responsibility.

To never audit your flights is a surprise as even since post 9/11, no CASA reg denies your ability to confirm your ship, is ship shape or to leave the locked door other than a toilet break - that has become a personal decision long before 9/11 and some companies policy. But that does not remove the requirement of the Captain being in charge of the ship overriding company policy.

PMS is real, more real with some than others - it even has a name. I am not saying it was PMS or anti American or Musician but they are possibilities and any true professional would consider them as part of an evaluation.

The other option is to simply give 100% control of the cabin to Cabin Crew, do as they seem fit - they are correct anyway!

Will you back them if they start an evacuation? they did access the situation - you will back them every time.

Or are there times you wont trust them every time?

And no not a Airline Pilot, but been in the game a very long time.

Had a only ever go-around in Singapore, the Captain got on the intercom soon after and said the stacking was a bit too close for him and was happy to chat when we landed. He was front and centre after landing and most pax just walked past as he said good bye to all on the aircraft. The group of 3 of us (aviation persons) saw he was visibly drained as we walked passed, we simply said good job, I guess the stacking was very close. I wish we and others took the time to talk to him, he clearly wanted to talk to someone.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:09
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Just as there are pain in the ass passengers there can also be pain in the ass pilots and cabin crew. I’ve been a passenger on a flight where the No1 was picking a fight with a guy over cabin bag stowage (on the ground). I can’t remember exactly what it was about, but I do remember thinking the pax had a good case while the no1 was digging her heels in rather petulantly. The Captain came out and immediately took the side of the No1without listening to both sides.
It may have been the easiest choice for him to make, but I didn’t think it was fair. Fortunately the situation didn’t escalate as it might easily have done. The unfortunate pax was big enough to let it go.
I guess it comes down to how individuals on both sides think, those with ‘power’ vs the ‘plebs’. It’s quite interesting.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:18
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
And no not a Airline Pilot,
Figured that out from your posts already...
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
Iíve been a passenger on a flight where the No1 was picking a fight with a guy over cabin bag stowage (on the ground). I canít remember exactly what it was about, but I do remember thinking the pax had a good case while the no1 was digging her heels in rather petulantly. The Captain came out and immediately took the side of the No1without listening to both sides.
Where did this idea that passengers who disagree with F/A instructions have a right to to a fair trial with the Captain as judge come from?

Thereís no disagreements between pax and F/As that require the adjudication of the Captain. This isnít a court case. The Cabin Crew, deriving their authority from the P.I.C, issue instructions to the passengers. The passengers donít have the right to appeal their instructions to the Captain for final adjudication. They arenít going to be using other passengers as witnesses to back up their case.

Sure, as P.I.C a Captain may disagree with what F/A has done and has authority to alter their decisions, but a good Captain will back up their crew. Thereís only one crew on an airliner, not two seperate pilot and F/A crews.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:34
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About time people who ignore the safety brief, or other messages, get it in the neck. And, by the way, it's W-I-L-L-I-A-M.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:37
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and a good Captain will back up their crew.
Well, there we disagree. I mustn’t have been a good Captain.

So if a crew member lost their rag punched a pax in the face, you’d back them up?
It’s an extreme example, but it’s on a sliding scale, the principle is what it’s about.

I saw myself as a human being first, a captain somewhere behind that.


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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:38
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
The Captain (during "flight") is in charge of the entire ship, delegation is an option of duty but never removes responsibility.

To never audit your flights is a surprise as even since post 9/11, no CASA reg denies your ability to confirm your ship, is ship shape or to leave the locked door other than a toilet break - that has become a personal decision long before 9/11 and some companies policy. But that does not remove the requirement of the Captain being in charge of the ship overriding company policy.

PMS is real, more real with some than others - it even has a name. I am not saying it was PMS or anti American or Musician but they are possibilities and any true professional would consider them as part of an evaluation.

The other option is to simply give 100% control of the cabin to Cabin Crew, do as they seem fit - they are correct anyway!

Will you back them if they start an evacuation? they did access the situation - you will back them every time.

Or are there times you wont trust them every time?

And no not a Airline Pilot, but been in the game a very long time.

Had a only ever go-around in Singapore, the Captain got on the intercom soon after and said the stacking was a bit too close for him and was happy to chat when we landed. He was front and centre after landing and most pax just walked past as he said good bye to all on the aircraft. The group of 3 of us (aviation persons) saw he was visibly drained as we walked passed, we simply said good job, I guess the stacking was very close. I wish we and others took the time to talk to him, he clearly wanted to talk to someone.
this is comedy gold mate. Please keep going....
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 10:46
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For me..it is really very simple....I/we no longer fly QF....problem solved
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 11:28
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Iím slightly concerned by the absolute blind faith in your FAs.
Iíll support them.....but before that Iíll weigh up the situation and determine the correct course of action, and make sure what they are saying is right. because ultimately any heat will land back on me if it was the wrong call.

And they are humans too, so sometimes pander to their own opinions and predujices .

I had one FA try and get me offload a pax because they didnít like their tatoos......they werenít offensive just revealed a political side the FA didnít like.

Er, no, is the answer.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 13:35
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needed the publicity

its another zzzz lister from an over the hill band looking for attention and recognition. He knows the rules, but its ok to break them as he is famous and a man of colour, so he can play that card. And lets use social media to name and shame this person, who is likely restricted by company policy from doing the same thing. Yes Mr.agrieved got his publicity, some sympathy and once again demonstrated how good social media is for those who crave/want/need attention.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 13:55
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Originally Posted by Meester proach View Post
Iím slightly concerned by the absolute blind faith in your FAs.

I had one FA try and get me offload a pax because they didnít like their tatoos...

Er, no, is the answer.
I agree entirely.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 13:56
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Originally Posted by T-Vasis View Post
Seems this was the same CSM who was involved in the 'Veronicas' fiasco @ https://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...940e56ca587fa7
QF have stated it is not the same crewmember.

Waiting for the Veronicas to issue a retraction/apology.... oh wait...

On one Facebook post from a news outlet, a person claiming to be a passenger on the flight said that William's entourage were causing issues at check in, and then again when trying to bring on oversized guitaer cases. When told they would need to gate check the cases, apparently they became argumentative.

When asked for proof, the woman posted a picture of her boarding pass from the flight.

make of that what you will.
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