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Silk Air to relocate B737 MAX fleet to Alice Springs

Old 13th Sep 2019, 01:54
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Silk Air to relocate B737 MAX fleet to Alice Springs

CASA Australia has given approval for the Silk Air fleet of Boeing 737 MAX to be relocated to dry storage in Alice Springs.
The aircraft are to be flown below 20,000 feet with 1st stage flap deployed to disarm the MCAS system according to Silk Air.
Mildew and potential corrosion in the humid climate at Changi Airport is the reason.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 04:02
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Well that should be fun. 7.5 hours, uncontrolled airspace, etc.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 04:17
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Why the flaps?? From what I have read if the Autopilot is on MCAS is disabled anyway?
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 04:44
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Why the flaps?? From what I have read if the Autopilot is on MCAS is disabled anyway?
That's my understanding too. Maybe the regulators are so uneasy that they are demanding “foolproof”?

I guess the Indonesians are going to let them refuel somewhere?
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 04:53
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They’d be able to do it in one hit empty. Worst case I suppose Broome is within reach.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 05:32
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Why the flaps?? From what I have read if the Autopilot is on MCAS is disabled anyway?
Do not forget the MAX also has Autopilot issues.
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Lots of Max's have been moved into storage in USA with no issues..
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 06:45
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
Lots of Max's have been moved into storage in USA with no issues..
ALL with the same ferry restrictions 20K and 1 Flap crew only.
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
...1 Flap crew only.
Surely they'll just go around in circles...

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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman View Post
Surely they'll just go around in circles...
Very "F" Funny but is not actually what happens.
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
ALL with the same ferry restrictions 20K and 1 Flap crew only.
I doubt that.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA2359

Up in Canada we have recently just been ferrying them about for Checks/Storage (some into the United States) without restriction. Only restriction is required crew only.

Also at my outfit a couple check pilots (ACPs we call em) took one out about Quebec (with some Transport Canada staff onboard) without restriction.

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 09:47
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Originally Posted by plhought View Post
I doubt that.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA2359

Up in Canada we have recently just been ferrying them about for Checks/Storage (some into the United States) without restriction. Only restriction is required crew only.

Also at my outfit a couple check pilots (ACPs we call em) took one out about Quebec (with some Transport Canada staff onboard) without restriction.

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Well that just means that other regulators have made airworthiness decisions on the MAX - Less than the FAA.
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Do not forget the MAX also has Autopilot issues.

This shows some regulators are not too confident in the airplane's systems.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 10:53
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They have all been sitting near the end of 2L at SIN for months. I guess they think they'll be grounded for a few months yet so dry storage in ASP makes more sense.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 17:45
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Why the flaps?? From what I have read if the Autopilot is on MCAS is disabled anyway?
MCAS only becomes a problem when it goes berserk after AoA bounces off the scale. Incidentally this may trip the AP off and dots get connected.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 11:44
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Very "F" Funny but is not actually what happens.
lol

Serious question though, can CASA impose that restriction on the entire operation of the flight? Or, would it be in conjunction with the relevant authorities who control airspace outside of CASA's jurisdiction?

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Old 14th Sep 2019, 11:55
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These ferry flights will reflect an approval from a request from SIN with an overflight permit from Indonesia and an entry permit from Australia. Each of those will contain very specific requirements and co-ordinated by the relevant regulators.approvals. It's not a free for all.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 16:13
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Fantastic for the Oz boneyard, congrats to whoever came up with that idea.

Routing - WSSS - YBRM - YBAS???

Will it be Silk Air Drivers or Boeing company Pilots???
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 20:28
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
This shows some regulators are not too confident in the airplane's systems.
or they've factored in for the lowest common denominator, an inept pilot.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 04:32
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Maybe they should deliver them to PapuaNewGuinea. Help the cargo cult and if the government takes them over may reduce the hull loss there by having less flights with the same number of people.
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