Project Sunrise
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Well the latest email from AIPA makes it quite clear.
They’re not happy with how it has happened, but it’s pretty obvious that outsourcing will happen if a No vote occurs. Any external contact is likely to be inferior to what’s being offered at the moment in both pay and conditions.
They’re not happy with how it has happened, but it’s pretty obvious that outsourcing will happen if a No vote occurs. Any external contact is likely to be inferior to what’s being offered at the moment in both pay and conditions.
”Fair Work”
https://infosurhoy.com/news/airbus-d...after-boeings/
What are the chances that Qantas will delay ordering A350s, with the announcement to be delayed until after the vote is taken?
What are the chances that Qantas will delay ordering A350s, with the announcement to be delayed until after the vote is taken?
Zero. The deal is done, that is plainly clear. This is a hiccup, and will be gone by 2023.
What the pilot body has to realise is that in order to fight the company we actually need to stay in the fight. A No vote 'to stick it to the company' will actually do the opposite. The 350 flying will be offered externally on less money that is currently being offered to us and will be fully subscribed.
Sh1t happens, we grit our teeth and say 'well played' (you slimy pack of #$@%s) and plan our return salvo.
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The execs will use this situation to their advantage, they’ve probably already gone back to Airbus (hell, Boeing too) with IATAs latest figures in hand asking for a redeal. If neither parties are willing to budge on price Sunrise could very much be DOA!
I’ll say this again. No board of directors WILL sign off on a multi billion dollar order in the current climate with every airline retreating given the Covid 19 BS asking staff to take leave etc etc....
Anyone who thinks otherwise is completely on the Cool Aide!
Stand up to the bully. And let them go...f@@rk they called our bluff. Once you give this YES to them, EVERY EBA is screwed and everyone will thank long haul for screwing it. Even Jetstar guys had the balls to take PIA....
Anyone who thinks otherwise is completely on the Cool Aide!
Stand up to the bully. And let them go...f@@rk they called our bluff. Once you give this YES to them, EVERY EBA is screwed and everyone will thank long haul for screwing it. Even Jetstar guys had the balls to take PIA....
Don’t say you weren’t warned......
Why is anyone considering more work for less money when everyone.knows Alan’s pay will only increase and the bonus pool will only increase?
Despite what you all may think, it IS possible to survive on just $10m a year (ie more than a 50% pay CUT) - without giving away any conditions at all!
ULH flying as well as back of clock 2 man flying is absolutely the worst combination of a working life it’s possible to imagine.
Why would -anyone- want to do that? Aside from taking a pay cut so Alan gets a commensurate pay rise??
Despite what you all may think, it IS possible to survive on just $10m a year (ie more than a 50% pay CUT) - without giving away any conditions at all!
ULH flying as well as back of clock 2 man flying is absolutely the worst combination of a working life it’s possible to imagine.
Why would -anyone- want to do that? Aside from taking a pay cut so Alan gets a commensurate pay rise??
Why is anyone considering more work for less money when everyone.knows Alan’s pay will only increase and the bonus pool will only increase?
Despite what you all may think, it IS possible to survive on just $10m a year (ie more than a 50% pay CUT) - without giving away any conditions at all!
ULH flying as well as back of clock 2 man flying is absolutely the worst combination of a working life it’s possible to imagine.
Why would -anyone- want to do that? Aside from taking a pay cut so Alan gets a commensurate pay rise??
Despite what you all may think, it IS possible to survive on just $10m a year (ie more than a 50% pay CUT) - without giving away any conditions at all!
ULH flying as well as back of clock 2 man flying is absolutely the worst combination of a working life it’s possible to imagine.
Why would -anyone- want to do that? Aside from taking a pay cut so Alan gets a commensurate pay rise??
Vote No, the board doesn’t proceed with sunrise, and in 6 months after winter is over and the Coronavirus has subsided (it won’t last forever you know) the board then makes the decision to approve Sunrise, and they also announce the formation of an external crewing company to crew them, as that’s exactly what they stated prior to the vote.
Don’t say you weren’t warned......
Don’t say you weren’t warned......
"ULH flying as well as back of clock 2 man flying is absolutely the worst combination of a working life it’s possible to imagine."
So let's get this straight - you won't fly ULH whatever the money? Or is it (just) possible that enough $$$ will lead to an adjustment in your life/work balance??
So let's get this straight - you won't fly ULH whatever the money? Or is it (just) possible that enough $$$ will lead to an adjustment in your life/work balance??
2 crew back of clock PLUS ULH is the problem I have! Either is bad enough, combined it’s atrocious.
I keep going back to the point that for all intents and purposes pay will remain the same - just that the people doing the work (pilots) won’t be getting it.
I keep going back to the point that for all intents and purposes pay will remain the same - just that the people doing the work (pilots) won’t be getting it.
I would suggest that anyone who thinks the corona virus will be over in a few months is naive.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/wor...rus-cases-june
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/wor...rus-cases-june
I would suggest that anyone who thinks the corona virus will be over in a few months is naive.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/wor...rus-cases-june
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/wor...rus-cases-june
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[QUOTE=dragon man;10705236]Rather than play the man play the ball, it’s factual with numbers please refute the numbers. The numbers quoted were from the Japanese Bank Nomura.If you think it’s crap have a look at this and the increases especially in Europe. If you chose to bury your head in the sand that’s not my problem
will you be forced to do this flying?
[QUOTE=dragon man;10705239]
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Rather than play the man play the ball, it’s factual with numbers please refute the numbers. The numbers quoted were from the Japanese Bank Nomura.If you think it’s crap have a look at this and the increases especially in Europe. If you chose to bury your head in the sand that’s not my problem
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The virus will be short-term. Sunrise is 3 years away. Stop with your ridiculous reasoning for a no vote when it can't be any further from the truth.
It's great you will be retiring soon. But don't post scaremongering and false facts on here in the hopes to scare other pilots into your delusional reasons for voting NO!