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Old 18th Aug 2019, 09:12
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Whatís going on at Tiger

Since the start of this year the business has crashed operationally. Every month that passes the numbers are getting worse. Current departure target is low 60%. Looking at the numbers for this week, most days a quarter of the flights are 3-5hrs late.

Blunty might be long gone but Iíll give him credit he did one thing when he walked into it, fix its OTP. And he had it at a steady 80 even upward of 90.

MM too busy over at Virgin?


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Old 18th Aug 2019, 10:26
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MM trashed VARAís operational record and now she is doing the same at TT!
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Old 18th Aug 2019, 12:38
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Last I checked, it still ain’t super. Clearly MD not flash either.......
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Old 18th Aug 2019, 13:24
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Catering debacle, maintenance debacle and yet she still retains her position.
She must have friends in high places.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 00:22
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We are sooooooooooo lucky she didnít get the main gig at VA. Would have been a disaster
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 10:17
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Some 3 odd years a ago when the powers to be said we are going all Boeing that was the day the first nail was driven home in Tigers coffin, the lid is being slowly nailed closed! A burial is inevitable as they stand now!
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 11:23
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Tiger Singapore are in the progress of switching its current fleet out to the Neo.

What a great chance to nab these aircraft. Skytraders are taking some as they are only 10 years old.

Tiger Oz could take some and piss off the 737. Blame blunty for the mess all is good.
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Tiger Singapore are in the progress of switching its current fleet out to the Neo.

What a great chance to nab these aircraft. Skytraders are taking some as they are only 10 years old.

Tiger Oz could take some and piss off the 737. Blame blunty for the mess all is good.
You speak the truth more than you realise, IF Tigers survive as they are now!......Airbus, way of the future!
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 12:15
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Tiger is much like Masters. Nothing but a financial drain and management distraction.

A token fleet of a dozen odd aircraft will never be a solid contributor to the group. What PS is trying to do is boost Virginís foundations to essentially bullet proof it against ongoing market and fuel headwinds.

Tiger canít do much should fuel rise. The risk here is what has happened in the past, when fuel went above one hundred, Tiger was losing fifty to sixty million.

If MM canít fix it then nobody can
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 13:10
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Tiger can’t do much should fuel rise. The risk here is what has happened in the past, when fuel went above one hundred, Tiger was losing fifty to sixty million.
This is precisely the problem with Low Fare Airlines: Very demand elastic and fuel price changes kill their demand.

As their target customer is fare conscious, they are price sensitive. Thus, Tiger (like Low fare airlines) can try to yield build by gently raising prices.
Should fuel price increases impact their cost structures, they find rising costs (with fuel price) combines with falling demand (a result of higher gasoline pump prices) generate the negative dual shock.
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 13:37
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Tigerair Taiwan going NEO as well. Seems to be a trend...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...20neos-460342/
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 01:11
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VARA and Tiger merged with the Tiger basically being the east coast VARA 320 Op? Probably a whole lot more complex than that! Not a bad rumour though.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 04:15
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Originally Posted by Berealgetreal View Post
VARA and Tiger merged with the Tiger basically being the east coast VARA 320 Op? Probably a whole lot more complex than that! Not a bad rumour though.
More a rumour that i hear coming and started from the Tiger Pilots themselves, who just prey for a reverse decision to go back to the 320.
At least with the max deferment the 320 will hang around a little longer but i think it is only delayed IMHO. Who knows however, old mate at the top now (PS), may change his mind and his predecessor decisions. (but he would have to convince the board who approved it in the first place)
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by No Idea Either View Post
We are sooooooooooo lucky she didnít get the main gig at VA. Would have been a disaster
And to think someone sent me a private message some time back (which I didn't see until months later) asking why I had suggested that she and one other exec were lightweights compared to one they got rid of... well, I guess the proof is in the pudding. The problem at Virgin is that it's an echo chamber... before it was only what the then CEO wanted to hear that got to the top... the echo chamber appears to have resulted in the departure of those that refused to repeat the echo and might have had a semblance of ability or knowledge in the industry... it's like the insular little group that meet regularly to pat themselves on the back and tell stories of how they think the world is... and deny reality. It's the corporate equivalent of Monty Python "No... it's just a flesh wound"...
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 02:41
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Scurrah bringing in the axe

Here we go...

What happens to all the excess pilots and I assume that means goodnight Irene to the BNE base.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 05:14
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Highly unlikely that there will be redundancies from the pilot ranks. Part of the benefit of the GDOJ list is redeployment across the group. Could let some of us VA types catch up on leave!

VARA is the closest to being overcrewed, losing 3 F100s, but the company has a few tools at its disposal, 737 jobs, leave without pay (pick me!!!) etc.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 05:53
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Is there the possibility of the 2 TT 320s replacing the 3 F100s?
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 06:29
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Is there the possibility of the 2 TT 320s replacing the 3 F100s?
I think thatís a very reasonable assumption to make.

Allegedly those F100s are coming off the VARA RPT side of things (think BME, KTA, etc). Apparently that flying to be picked up by PER 737 (maybe A320 too?). Although what that does to costs when you have a 100 seat jet replaced by a 170 seat jet - who knows? But I suppose thatís similar to some of the routes that were purely ejet back in the days.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 06:33
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Tiger losing another 2 frames. So now down to 15 frames total?
How do you get economies of scale from such a small fleet. Whatís the point.

syd-ppp and bne-drw routes going. JQ must be rubbing their hands together!

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Old 6th Nov 2019, 08:31
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The remaining Tiger Airbus fleet is relatively young and would probably command too high of a price premium to go to VARA, who essentially get the high cycle low lease cost frames. The aircraft already gone to VARA cost a third to lease compared to the rest of the Tiger fleet. There was a Tiger batch delivered until 04/05 ex Singapore then the next lot is 08 onwards build with new upgrades. These are highly sought after frames globally, especially the last couple delivered.

Think back to the start. They started leisure routes then went after the triangle. On time performance went out the door with that also. ASP/MCY/MKY/ROK/LST.

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