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It may not be all 11, but they are coming.
and yes, JQ did ruin a lot of careers, maybe none more so than the poor saps who work there, flogging themselves to death everyday for sh$t pay. Enjoy. How many years until retirement?
and yes, JQ did ruin a lot of careers, maybe none more so than the poor saps who work there, flogging themselves to death everyday for sh$t pay. Enjoy. How many years until retirement?
Your boss saw a market and he created a product to supply that market. Just because you didn’t take advantage of it doesn’t mean you should be a cranky sod about those who did.
But the continual segregation of pilots within the same parent organisation is a shame. Why get personal and help them morno?
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And Qantas management plans are complete! A series of competing pilot groups who are willing to undercut each other for a perceived advantage as bestowed upon them by management.
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Little Napoleon did not create Jetstar, he was still at Ansett when it was pitched to QF management by consultants.
What grinds me is the attitude displayed but a select few muppets such as the one above that JQ pilots are somehow responsible for whatever stagnation they suffered at mainline (and of course ignoring the massive advantage they took from the collapse of Ansett) and deserve the subpar pay or high workload we endure. "Enjoy" was the comment made, along with a snide remark about how long till retirement. Insufferable arrogance.
I took the job that was available. The reality is that mainline simply didn't hire anyone for a decade. Had they offered me a job I'd have happily taken it, but the market didn't provide that opportunity. What else am I to do? Refuse an airline job to protect people earning 5 times what I am on in GA and rot there? Its absurd.
Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.
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Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.
I certainly don't look to undercut anyone. Mainline could push for a million dollars a year and I'd be happy for them.
What grinds me is the attitude displayed but a select few muppets such as the one above that JQ pilots are somehow responsible for whatever stagnation they suffered at mainline (and of course ignoring the massive advantage they took from the collapse of Ansett) and deserve the subpar pay or high workload we endure. "Enjoy" was the comment made, along with a snide remark about how long till retirement. Insufferable arrogance.
I took the job that was available. The reality is that mainline simply didn't hire anyone for a decade. Had they offered me a job I'd have happily taken it, but the market didn't provide that opportunity. What else am I to do? Refuse an airline job to protect people earning 5 times what I am on in GA and rot there? Its absurd.
Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.
What grinds me is the attitude displayed but a select few muppets such as the one above that JQ pilots are somehow responsible for whatever stagnation they suffered at mainline (and of course ignoring the massive advantage they took from the collapse of Ansett) and deserve the subpar pay or high workload we endure. "Enjoy" was the comment made, along with a snide remark about how long till retirement. Insufferable arrogance.
I took the job that was available. The reality is that mainline simply didn't hire anyone for a decade. Had they offered me a job I'd have happily taken it, but the market didn't provide that opportunity. What else am I to do? Refuse an airline job to protect people earning 5 times what I am on in GA and rot there? Its absurd.
Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.
I highly doubt Qantas would ever have grown to the extent that Jetstar has, so this in turn has created more pilot jobs in Australia than would have been created providing “a career” to existing Qantas pilots. You are there to do your job. Your job is to be a pilot for Qantas. If you happen to get some advancement in the meantime, great. Otherwise Qantas is not there simply to tend to your careers.
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Bravo, well said. It’s happened, Jetstar is here to stay.
I highly doubt Qantas would ever have grown to the extent that Jetstar has, so this in turn has created more pilot jobs in Australia than would have been created providing “a career” to existing Qantas pilots. You are there to do your job. Your job is to be a pilot for Qantas. If you happen to get some advancement in the meantime, great. Otherwise Qantas is not there simply to tend to your careers.
At the juncture, Qantas had a choice either re-equip as the fleet gifted by the Australian taxpayer aged, or 'greenfield' an entire airline and hope to drive unit cost lower without destroying revenue.
That Qantas chose the latter and in so doing squandered operating margin is disappointing. It remains impossible to measure, as any unknown-unknown is, however compared to peer airlines it has gone backwards as a group. Alleged lower unit cost aside, many Qantas pilots assumed that a career path existed, a career path that Qantas management didn't dare tell them had evaporated in a lost decade.
It is as plausible that as Jetstar's model is saturated, with a mid cost base, Qantas IR again play the same song and 'greenfield' other entities, with fleet and routes, to lower unit cost. As a more mature business those JQ pilots sitting in the right hand seat may have to wait for retirements rather than growth to further their career.
A tune Qantas pilots are familiar with.
You're a fool if you assume you're entitled to a thing in aviation.
I can’t speak for all of course....but the vast vast majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ and understand the reality of the last decade. The frustration is with management and their decisions.
Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. I’m just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. I’m just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
Hey guys - Australian isn't my first language but isn't
" majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ"
a bit patronizing as in
"Some of my best friends are ............. (insert minority)"
" majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ"
a bit patronizing as in
"Some of my best friends are ............. (insert minority)"
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I can’t speak for all of course....but the vast vast majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ and understand the reality of the last decade. The frustration is with management and their decisions.
Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. I’m just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. I’m just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
Being the favoured child is something that rarely lasts.
What IR give, IR will take away in search of lower unit cost.
I can’t speak for all of course....but the vast vast majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ and understand the reality of the last decade. The frustration is with management and their decisions.
Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. I’m just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. I’m just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
As for the 6 month FO stint, fair enough. It’s a good move to get used to the operation. It’s a different beast to QF.
go be offended somewhere else.