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Old 5th Jul 2019, 13:15
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Originally Posted by rep View Post
You should add the loss of 11 787s into your daily mainline chat.
And deprive you lot of yet another reason to cry about how jq ruined your career?

I think we'll hold into them thanks.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:37
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It may not be all 11, but they are coming.

and yes, JQ did ruin a lot of careers, maybe none more so than the poor saps who work there, flogging themselves to death everyday for sh$t pay. Enjoy. How many years until retirement?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:46
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It may not be all 11, but they are coming.

and yes, JQ did ruin a lot of careers, maybe none more so than the poor saps who work there, flogging themselves to death everyday for sh$t pay. Enjoy. How many years until retirement?
That's the way, we should have all just sat around unemployed for fear of ruining your 400k a year part time job. A thousand apologies.





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Old 6th Jul 2019, 07:13
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400k? Where do I sign up?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate View Post
It may not be all 11, but they are coming.

and yes, JQ did ruin a lot of careers, maybe none more so than the poor saps who work there, flogging themselves to death everyday for sh$t pay. Enjoy. How many years until retirement?
Yeah, because Qantas was going to grow so massively and employ so many pilots

Your boss saw a market and he created a product to supply that market. Just because you didnít take advantage of it doesnít mean you should be a cranky sod about those who did.

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Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:29
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Yeah, because Qantas was going to grow so massively and employ so many pilots

Your boss saw a market and he created a product to supply that market. Just because you didn’t take advantage of it doesn’t mean you should be a cranky sod about those who did.



Nothing wrong with a different business for a different market.

But the continual segregation of pilots within the same parent organisation is a shame. Why get personal and help them morno?

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Old 6th Jul 2019, 20:40
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And Qantas management plans are complete! A series of competing pilot groups who are willing to undercut each other for a perceived advantage as bestowed upon them by management.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by morno View Post


Yeah, because Qantas was going to grow so massively and employ so many pilots

Your boss saw a market and he created a product to supply that market. Just because you didnít take advantage of it doesnít mean you should be a cranky sod about those who did.

A correction.
Little Napoleon did not create Jetstar, he was still at Ansett when it was pitched to QF management by consultants.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 23:05
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And Qantas management plans are complete! A series of competing pilot groups who are willing to undercut each other for a perceived advantage as bestowed upon them by management.
I certainly don't look to undercut anyone. Mainline could push for a million dollars a year and I'd be happy for them.

What grinds me is the attitude displayed but a select few muppets such as the one above that JQ pilots are somehow responsible for whatever stagnation they suffered at mainline (and of course ignoring the massive advantage they took from the collapse of Ansett) and deserve the subpar pay or high workload we endure. "Enjoy" was the comment made, along with a snide remark about how long till retirement. Insufferable arrogance.

I took the job that was available. The reality is that mainline simply didn't hire anyone for a decade. Had they offered me a job I'd have happily taken it, but the market didn't provide that opportunity. What else am I to do? Refuse an airline job to protect people earning 5 times what I am on in GA and rot there? Its absurd.

Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.



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Old 6th Jul 2019, 23:29
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Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.
Well said.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
A correction.
Little Napoleon did not create Jetstar, he was still at Ansett when it was pitched to QF management by consultants.
I just said ďyour bossĒ. I know it wasnít Joyce
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 00:25
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
I certainly don't look to undercut anyone. Mainline could push for a million dollars a year and I'd be happy for them.

What grinds me is the attitude displayed but a select few muppets such as the one above that JQ pilots are somehow responsible for whatever stagnation they suffered at mainline (and of course ignoring the massive advantage they took from the collapse of Ansett) and deserve the subpar pay or high workload we endure. "Enjoy" was the comment made, along with a snide remark about how long till retirement. Insufferable arrogance.

I took the job that was available. The reality is that mainline simply didn't hire anyone for a decade. Had they offered me a job I'd have happily taken it, but the market didn't provide that opportunity. What else am I to do? Refuse an airline job to protect people earning 5 times what I am on in GA and rot there? Its absurd.

Direct your angst at the management that decided to drive growth outside of mainline, not at the drivers who simply grabbed hold of the only thing that was available.
Bravo, well said. Itís happened, Jetstar is here to stay.

I highly doubt Qantas would ever have grown to the extent that Jetstar has, so this in turn has created more pilot jobs in Australia than would have been created providing ďa careerĒ to existing Qantas pilots. You are there to do your job. Your job is to be a pilot for Qantas. If you happen to get some advancement in the meantime, great. Otherwise Qantas is not there simply to tend to your careers.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 01:53
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
And deprive you lot of yet another reason to cry about how jq ruined your career?

I think we'll hold into them thanks.
insufferable arrogance
couldnt agree more.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 06:46
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Originally Posted by morno View Post


Bravo, well said. It’s happened, Jetstar is here to stay.

I highly doubt Qantas would ever have grown to the extent that Jetstar has, so this in turn has created more pilot jobs in Australia than would have been created providing “a career” to existing Qantas pilots. You are there to do your job. Your job is to be a pilot for Qantas. If you happen to get some advancement in the meantime, great. Otherwise Qantas is not there simply to tend to your careers.
Jetstar's presence is likely not the source of concern, it does play a role.
At the juncture, Qantas had a choice either re-equip as the fleet gifted by the Australian taxpayer aged, or 'greenfield' an entire airline and hope to drive unit cost lower without destroying revenue.
That Qantas chose the latter and in so doing squandered operating margin is disappointing. It remains impossible to measure, as any unknown-unknown is, however compared to peer airlines it has gone backwards as a group. Alleged lower unit cost aside, many Qantas pilots assumed that a career path existed, a career path that Qantas management didn't dare tell them had evaporated in a lost decade.

It is as plausible that as Jetstar's model is saturated, with a mid cost base, Qantas IR again play the same song and 'greenfield' other entities, with fleet and routes, to lower unit cost. As a more mature business those JQ pilots sitting in the right hand seat may have to wait for retirements rather than growth to further their career.

A tune Qantas pilots are familiar with.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 07:38
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
Jetstar's presence is likely not the source of concern, it does play a role.
many Qantas pilots assumed that a career path existed, a career path that Qantas management didn't dare tell them had evaporated in a lost decade.
I didn't see these Qantas pilots complaining when after the failure of Ansett the Qantas fleet increased by nearly a third in just 5 years?

You're a fool if you assume you're entitled to a thing in aviation.



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Old 7th Jul 2019, 07:42
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I canít speak for all of course....but the vast vast majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ and understand the reality of the last decade. The frustration is with management and their decisions.

Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. Iím just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 08:49
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Hey guys - Australian isn't my first language but isn't

" majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ"

a bit patronizing as in

"Some of my best friends are ............. (insert minority)"
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:00
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Originally Posted by crosscutter View Post
I canít speak for all of course....but the vast vast majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ and understand the reality of the last decade. The frustration is with management and their decisions.

Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. Iím just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
Precisely.

Being the favoured child is something that rarely lasts.
What IR give, IR will take away in search of lower unit cost.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:24
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Originally Posted by crosscutter View Post
I canít speak for all of course....but the vast vast majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ and understand the reality of the last decade. The frustration is with management and their decisions.

Nevertheless, there are people on both sides with an axe to grind. It was the JPC who pushed for the Darwin base freeze for MOU pilots and the mandatory 6 month FO stint before command...why? Now the shoe is on the other foot perhaps JQ MOU pilots should be frozen to Perth. Iím just pointing out that before people start yelling from an unearned pedestal we appreciate that the majority have opinions no where near the extremity suggested on this faceless forum.
The MOU guys are pretty much frozen in Perth arenít they?

As for the 6 month FO stint, fair enough. Itís a good move to get used to the operation. Itís a different beast to QF.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Hey guys - Australian isn't my first language but isn't

" majority of QF pilots have no ill feeling towards JQ pilots. In fact a few have relatives who work for JQ"

a bit patronizing as in

"Some of my best friends are ............. (insert minority)"

go be offended somewhere else.
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