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Old 6th Jul 2019, 03:37
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 View Post


Well if that’s the case, this whole “rust” thing on the shaft must be just a furphy. Makes you you wonder about the allegations of staff being pressured not to write it up?

Which if true of course, is the real issue.
The 'disgruntled engineer' taxiied an aircraft into a skip bin. That's the real issue.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 03:54
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
The 'disgruntled engineer' taxiied an aircraft into a skip bin. That's the real issue.
So let’s get this straight Ladloy, this whole thing is about nothing more than a single disgruntled engineer sanctioned for taxiing an aircraft into a skip bin?

Better let CASA, the ALAEA, and the travelling public know. It would seem a whole stack of people are on the wrong track!
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:28
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First off can I just say everyone loves to pile on Rex when the opportunity presents itself! PPRuNe, newspapers, Facebook etc I am yet to come across many (if any) comments supporting Rex. Each to their own, but tell me a company in Australia that doesn’t have similar issues from time to time!

I’ll be the first to admit I never initially applied to Rex because of their reputation for playing hard ball during eba’s and plenty of rumours of crew being thrown under a bus for minor issues. So I wasn’t happy when I ended up working there when my previous employer went bankrupt.

BUT!

I’ll admit I never encountered any pressure from management, if I didn’t like it I told them where to go (as a captain). Any incidents I reported were treated well and as you’d expect from a mature safety system. The CP and HOFO were good guys and I found them to be very reasonable to deal with. Management above this was the problem. CEO and of course the well known views of certain owners are an issue. However you have to admit they know how to run an airline and make money. We might not all agree on their methods but they have been profitable, the staff are paid a reasonable wage, the aircraft are well looked after and they are successful.

The recent media reports and the he said she said rubbish between CASA, Rex and the union is all a bit messy. I find it very hard to believe the ‘ground the entire Rex fleet’ claim WASN’T made to grab a headline. If that was written in the union document to CASA as well, it can only be to grab attention. But when taken to the media, they combine it with the propeller falling off and the age of the Saab’s and you have an instant really bad story about the company. Of course management released an aggressive media release in response! This could have a significant effect on the company and as of yet, none of the allegations are proven!!! Once a statement like ‘ground the company’ is out in the open, it’s very hard to get it back if eventually unproven.

Now I’m not saying Rex is perfect and free of blame, I’m not saying the union is right either. But how about we all just sit back and have a bit of sympathy for the guys and girls that work there while the investigation takes place. They are the ones all this is going to affect in the medium term.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:19
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus View Post
First off can I just say everyone loves to pile on Rex when the opportunity presents itself! PPRuNe, newspapers, Facebook etc I am yet to come across many (if any) comments supporting Rex. Each to their own, but tell me a company in Australia that doesn’t have similar issues from time to time!

I’ll be the first to admit I never initially applied to Rex because of their reputation for playing hard ball during eba’s and plenty of rumours of crew being thrown under a bus for minor issues. So I wasn’t happy when I ended up working there when my previous employer went bankrupt.

BUT!

I’ll admit I never encountered any pressure from management, if I didn’t like it I told them where to go (as a captain). Any incidents I reported were treated well and as you’d expect from a mature safety system. The CP and HOFO were good guys and I found them to be very reasonable to deal with. Management above this was the problem. CEO and of course the well known views of certain owners are an issue. However you have to admit they know how to run an airline and make money. We might not all agree on their methods but they have been profitable, the staff are paid a reasonable wage, the aircraft are well looked after and they are successful.

The recent media reports and the he said she said rubbish between CASA, Rex and the union is all a bit messy. I find it very hard to believe the ‘ground the entire Rex fleet’ claim WASN’T made to grab a headline. If that was written in the union document to CASA as well, it can only be to grab attention. But when taken to the media, they combine it with the propeller falling off and the age of the Saab’s and you have an instant really bad story about the company. Of course management released an aggressive media release in response! This could have a significant effect on the company and as of yet, none of the allegations are proven!!! Once a statement like ‘ground the company’ is out in the open, it’s very hard to get it back if eventually unproven.

Now I’m not saying Rex is perfect and free of blame, I’m not saying the union is right either. But how about we all just sit back and have a bit of sympathy for the guys and girls that work there while the investigation takes place. They are the ones all this is going to affect in the medium term.
Thats for sure, lets hold the horses, peoples jobs are involved, families income, business that rely on the airline, if there are defects, issues another casa audit should deal with it, yes word is they were there again this week is that number 6. Calling for grounding the fleet is crazy, if the issues are proven we would all hope the system deals with it. Who knows where the paper got it, my bet is the ALAEA, even though they deny it, of course they would. Really sounds like casa has more problems than rex, 5 audits, now six, letter to rex telling them they are good, come on has to be more to it.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:23
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It added that the regulator had conducted "five extensive audits" of Rex since February 2018, examining all aspects of its safety management system and aircraft maintenance. In addition, Rex had met with CASA on at least nine occasions since then to provide safety briefings and updates, the statement said.
An extensive audit every three and a half months? Does CASA even have the resources to achieve that? If they do why were the resources being diverted from other audit tasks?

Now the ALAEA accuses casa of leaking the story to the media. This isn't making sense.
The only way I can see someone at CASA becoming motivated enough to leak info is if they had audited the company and been concerned with what they had found and then had to stand by while a letter that said

"the Board and management of CASA have no current safety concerns with Rex. Through the normal oversight processes and interactions undertaken, CASA is satisfied that Rex is currently meeting all its obligations.”
was issued.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:25
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Originally Posted by Arnold E View Post
It's not just about one Engineer. There are several involved. It is just that one Engineer has raised matters relating to him to a point that the FWC is considering issuing anti-bullying orders.

Guys the ALAEA did not release this info. It was someone internal to CASA. Tactically and legally we have no reason to release anything as the matters are before the courts. We just started receiving phone calls last week from journos who stated they had been tipped off by a CASA insider.

How many is several? There is an article in the SMH that says that the ALAEA is calling for the grounding of the fleet. if this is true then Fed Sec must resign immediately since the purpose of a union is to protect its members not put the entire bussiness at risk. If its not true then the Fed Sec must vigorously deny that article and let the travelling public know there is not a problem with the aircraft. The very damaging video released of "rust" on a propshaft was not rust.
Of couse it was the ALAEA who leaked this. Nice move, create all this hype about Rex being unsafe to boost your argument then blame the Authority for it. If you are going to play games take ownership dont go blaming the rest of us.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 08:41
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus View Post
Now I’m not saying Rex is perfect and free of blame, I’m not saying the union is right either. But how about we all just sit back and have a bit of sympathy for the guys and girls that work there while the investigation takes place. They are the ones all this is going to affect in the medium term.
I am sure Ethiopian and Lion Air victims families agree.

The guys and girls that work at both of those companies now have real pain - as do the families of the dead.

Is the regulator regulating?
Are they in a cozzie relationship with the airline?
Should customers see past audit reports from CAsA?
Should skips be air-side and if they are, are you allowed to look at it, if not listed on the Task Card?

I have no skin in this game but have heard the "main" LAME of allegations is a bit of a tool, but some others have a few issues of some merit worth looking at.

Also many reports say the owner needs a good talking to about Australian employment LAW.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 10:21
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Originally Posted by 73qanda View Post

An extensive audit every three and a half months? Does CASA even have the resources to achieve that? If they do why were the resources being diverted from other audit tasks?



The only way I can see someone at CASA becoming motivated enough to leak info is if they had audited the company and been concerned with what they had found and then had to stand by while a letter that said


was issued.
Well all pretty interesting. If the word of casa had issued non compliances and then withdrawn them without the things raised getting dealt with and then casa management and board sent that letter, then the public should be worried as i wont say the obvious but questions need to be asked. They never withdraw mine. Perhaps i dont know the right people
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 10:51
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And the engineer is still employed by Rex !.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 10:58
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I am sure Ethiopian and Lion Air victims families agree.

The guys and girls that work at both of those companies now have real pain - as do the families of the dead.
Really?! Poor comparison I’d argue. You want to compare an Australian airline to an incident relating to a manufacturer fault plus Lion Air of all companies?! Lion Air have regular well documented safety issues clearly visible to the public, to put Rex in the same boat is a long bow to draw....

I never said they were perfect, but the fact is most of us on here (Pprune) have NO IDEA if the allegations are true. I was merely commenting on the ‘pile on’ about Rex and your post proves my point. No ‘skin in the game’ but that’s the comparison you choose to make.

We are talking about the same CASA that most people on here complain about aren’t we? That issues 100’s of NCN’s and drives businesses to the wall with ridiculous requirements. That goes after pilot medicals. Maybe there is something to the allegations and Rex maintenance practices deserve to be improved. But the original union document submitted to CASA was designed to be explosive and grab attention if anyone in the media got their hands on it. To deny that is just ignorant, the union and this engineer also have an agenda.

There’s probably four sides to this story and I’ll go out on a limb and say none of us on here have the full story...
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 11:21
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus View Post


Really?! Poor comparison I’d argue. You want to compare an Australian airline to an incident relating to a manufacturer fault plus Lion Air of all companies?! Lion Air have regular well documented safety issues clearly visible to the public, to put Rex in the same boat is a long bow to draw....

I never said they were perfect, but the fact is most of us on here (Pprune) have NO IDEA if the allegations are true. I was merely commenting on the ‘pile on’ about Rex and your post proves my point. No ‘skin in the game’ but that’s the comparison you choose to make.

We are talking about the same CASA that most people on here complain about aren’t we? That issues 100’s of NCN’s and drives businesses to the wall with ridiculous requirements. That goes after pilot medicals. Maybe there is something to the allegations and Rex maintenance practices deserve to be improved. But the original union document submitted to CASA was designed to be explosive and grab attention if anyone in the media got their hands on it. To deny that is just ignorant, the union and this engineer also have an agenda.

There’s probably four sides to this story and I’ll go out on a limb and say none of us on here have the full story...
Nomad N22- N24 - You seem anti union?

The post they made was very clear (ALAEA) - I expect you will supply extra probable information or links of a valid source
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 21:41
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They never withdraw mine. Perhaps i dont know the right people
Relationships are very important. Do the people at the top of Rex have long established relationships with individuals at the top of CASA?
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 02:53
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You mean a previous Minister for Transport JS, pulling strings inside the department to get his way? With a career bureaucrat who proudly tells everyone he has no aviation experience, in charge of the regulator? Who’s looking for his next step up in the department? Nah, nothing there
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 07:32
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Relationships are very important. Do the people at the top of Rex have long established relationships with individuals at the top of CASA?
Watching, reading, taking it all in. You ask an interesting question i dont think it is rocket science
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 10:00
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It’s all okay. Nothing found move along.

https://www.portlincolntimes.com.au/...safety-claims/

Claims of unsafe practices by Regional Express (REX) were at the centre of an intensive two-day audit conducted by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA).


Even though a final report has not been finished, CASA has confirmed it had no current issues with the safety of REX aircraft.

The investigation came after a report by the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers' Association was lodged with CASA in May in which there were a number of claims of a poor safety culture within the company.

Last week CASA spokesperson Peter Gibson said a 17-page document was lodged by a former engineer with the company and his union at the end of May, and the authority had been analysing the claims.



"If there are any safety issues identified, we will make sure that's addressed properly, but we haven't identified any to date," he said.


On Saturday, July 6, CASA release a statement that it had confirmed it had no issues with the airline's safety after conducting an audit at the REX Wagga maintenance facility as part of the safety assurance review.

The audit focussed on the airlines safety management system and the processes of reporting concerns.


In the statement CASA reported that REX staff and management were interviewed and found to be cooperative and confident in the airline's safety reporting systems.

In a media release, a REX spokesperson said the organisation was grateful the investigation had been conducted responsibly.

"CASA conducted their investigations in a prompt, comprehensive and responsible manner that should leave no doubt with regard to the safety of Rex flights in the minds of regional passengers, many of whom depend exclusively on Rex for their medical, educational and professional travelling needs," they stated.


"Rex has nothing but contempt for the efforts of some media outlets to generate more sales through malicious attacks on its airline safety record based on biased and anecdotal accusations by anonymous disgruntled staff.


"Not only could such disgraceful acts be capable of seriously damaging Rex but it could also result in, if Rex had been forced to cease flying, many remote and rural regional communities permanently losing air services that are critical for their socio-economic needs.

A final CASA report usually takes up to 21 days to complete but the REX findings will be expedited so the matter can be finalised quickly.


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Old 8th Jul 2019, 10:01
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Media release from CASA a few days ago on their findings at REX @ https://www.casa.gov.au/media-releas...-review-update
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 11:04
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https://australianaviation.com.au/20...safety-review/
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 11:46
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REX must be the only airline that maintenance staff are confident in reporting errors - most engineering staff are scared sh**tless of reporting anything that upsets management.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 21:45
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REX must be the only airline that maintenance staff are confident in reporting errors - most engineering staff are scared sh**tless of reporting anything that upsets management.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

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Who set the scope and who did they send?
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