Qantas Short Haul 2019 EA Negotiations (EA 8)
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 32
Originally Posted by Vindiesel
Who or what is a professional negotiator? Someone please provide a name and link to the website or qualifications of such a person and then please explain precisely how they would get a better deal.
For example the New Zealand union sent their negotiators overseas and gave them proper training. Coming home with experience to do integrative (increasing the pie) negotiating rather than distributive (fighting for a larger slice of the pie), ANZ happily tried it, whereas Jetstar would only negotiate distributively.
Done correctly a integrative negotiation usually leads to both parties being happy with the deal rather than both parties usually being left disappointed with a distributive negotiation.
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 73
Emphatic +1 for the professional negotiators; this is amateur-hour stuff and frankly, a disgrace.
Is anyone going to mention the international flying elephant in the room? The one that AIPA left out of their summary?
Is anyone going to mention the international flying elephant in the room? The one that AIPA left out of their summary?
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 299
While doing the suggested Google search for professional negotiators, most of the results were for courses to help businesses combat the good negotiators that unions provide.
Also found this link: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-becom...nal-negotiator
Essentially it says that the best negotiators are those who are already subject matter experts who then learn specific negotiation skills.
Also found this link: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-becom...nal-negotiator
Essentially it says that the best negotiators are those who are already subject matter experts who then learn specific negotiation skills.
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The place to be
Posts: 6
I want to know why we are talking about super and allowances as total gross. At JQ our payslips are different so our Gross salary doesn't include any of that. As level 3 FO i did 178k plus allowances and plus super. East coast working harder so their gross would be around 200 plus
Last edited by GApilut; 11th Jul 2019 at 11:21.
Join Date: Feb 2016
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Originally Posted by GApilut
I want to know why we are talking about super and allowances as total gross. At JQ our payslips are different so our Gross salary doesn't include any of that. As level 3 FO i did 178k plus allowances and plus super. East coast working harder so their gross would be around 200 plus
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Denmark
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by ClearanceClarence1
Thats awesome GA man, I am a QF737FO earning similar. Good to see champion.
I wonder how many WDOs GA man did for the year? To earn 200k out of SY I would be doing 90hrs+ a month plus living by the phone to get all the WDOs working my buttocks off.
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Wellington
Posts: 123
So..when the inevitably gets voted down,and we miss out on our Bonus, where to from here Mr WW?
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: sincity
Posts: 937
Originally Posted by Street garbage
So..when the inevitably gets voted down,and we miss out on our Bonus, where to from here Mr WW?
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
I thought it would be close to 60/40, but with no back pay..snowballs chance.
The 6 day pattern request is apparently they were looking at Darwin- Singapore- Mumbai.....
Vote no for that bollocks
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mars
Age: 15
Posts: 153
SIN-BOM-SIN BOC 2 crew?
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Hyperspace
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by TineeTim
SIN-BOM-SIN BOC 2 crew?
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.
For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺
the LH EA is an archaic agreement holding back many careers to favour a few Senior fat cats ( you’ll be where I am one day sonny......)
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sydney
Age: 55
Posts: 1,544
Originally Posted by SandyPalms
The SH contract restricts international ops to the equator (with exception of SIN) so BOM can’t be done by SH crew.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,253
Originally Posted by Tankengine
You do understand this is an EA negotiation? Perhaps that restriction has been lifted.
Has it occurred?
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sydney
Age: 55
Posts: 1,544
Originally Posted by Rated De
Such a substantive amendment to an existing agreement ought in the first instance have been communicated to the pilot membership.
Has it occurred?
Has it occurred?
Whether a change like this is “substantive” or not is another issue.
Edit: after perusing another forum with a bit less rumour content this change is apparently a company ask.
Last edited by Tankengine; 14th Jul 2019 at 03:45.
