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Old 28th Jun 2019, 20:56
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Remember WHY Tulla was built way out in the sticks? No houses anywhere near anything?

Then the councils allow land to be developed right up to the boundary. Then the noise complaints begin. Same as every airport in Oz.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 04:23
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Remember WHY Tulla was built way out in the sticks? No houses anywhere near anything?

Then the councils allow land to be developed right up to the boundary. Then the noise complaints begin. Same as every airport in Oz.
When the population is going up by over a thousand people a day those people need to live somewhere and most of them probably aren’t that fond of aircraft noise in their newfound homes.

Developers (none of whom live under flight paths) bribe councils to change the rules. Councils get development targets imposed upon them by state governments and are stuck between a rock and a hard place, federal government approves the visas thanks to developer lobbying.

The circle of life, not dissimilar to a holding pattern.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 05:38
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After YMML opened the Melways pages for adjacent empty land all carried a printed message “Future noise corridor”. The next time I bought a Melways in 1995 (?) that information had been removed. That’s about when houses were being built for the future “no aircraft noise” party members.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 05:58
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The logical solution is to build a new airport further from the city with a rapid transit link to the city, an airport that has the passenger terminals between the parallel runways and maintenance and cargo facilities on the outside of the runways. $$ yes, but any additional runway at YMML (irrespective of the orientation or location) will be a major compromise.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 06:04
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After YMML opened the Melways pages for adjacent empty land all carried a printed message “Future noise corridor”. The next time I bought a Melways in 1995 (?) that information had been removed. That’s about when houses were being built for the future “no aircraft noise” party members.
and if you go back to the mid 70s melways there’s a THIRD north south runway earmarked. Roughly where Airport Drive Porsche centre is now.
https://digitised-collections.unimel...14&isAllowed=y

edit. It wasn’t a third NS runway. Rather it seems that from the melways archives the Airport Drive north south runway was changed in 1990 to be the location of the current proposal.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 11:21
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Time to ditch Melbourne and develop Avalon. We just have to get Linfox to throw in a billion or two.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
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and if you go back to the mid 70s melways there’s a THIRD north south runway earmarked. Roughly where Airport Drive Porsche centre is now.
https://digitised-collections.unimel...14&isAllowed=y

edit. It wasn’t a third NS runway. Rather it seems that from the melways archives the Airport Drive north south runway was changed in 1990 to be the location of the current proposal.
Ahh, the old Drive in Theatre in Tullamarine. I could see that screen from the front of my house. Used to watch it with Binoculars!
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 21:56
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That would be presumably as you can’t land a 380 on the east west runway.
You can land a 380 on the 27 and it has been done on many occasions. Most of those occasions though, have been with a solid westerly blowing.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 07:47
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Time to ditch Melbourne and develop Avalon. We just have to get Linfox to throw in a billion or two.
You get Linfox out of Essendon it will turn Essendon Airport land into downtown Mogadishu overnight.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 03:35
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman View Post
Ahh, the old Drive in Theatre in Tullamarine. I could see that screen from the front of my house. Used to watch it with Binoculars!
hahaha I used to watch it from the back seat of my FC Holden, although missed most of the movies...lolol
Ahh the good old days. I worked out at Tulla started 1979 at the fuel depot (JUHI) back then there was always talk of a 3rd Rwy being built very soon, I guess soon wasn't anytime soon back then:-)

Side note: As most would know the drome was designed for the largest jets of the day B707 DC8 Etc so when the Jumbo Jets turned up not long after Tulla was opened it was chaos as the hydrants the gates etc needed extensive modification, I recall many a late night on the apron with crews modifying the Hydrant system that was only a few years old!:-)
Another side note (sorry): Being involved with much of the underground beneath Tulla I always laugh when I hear about a train station being already there for the future rail link to Tulla, trust me there are LOTS of hidden tunnels & locked steel doors down there, it's a rat infested rabbit warren where you could get lost & never be seen again!:-):-)
40 years latter I'm still waiting for that 3rd Rwy...………..will be another 40 years before we see it if ever!:-)
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 06:55
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Meanwhile a whole airport, Daxing in China is almost complete after construction started in 2014.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 15:12
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trust me there are LOTS of hidden tunnels & locked steel doors down there, it's a rat infested rabbit warren where you could get lost & never be seen again!:-):-)
Reminds me of the new Taipei Airport in Taiwan circa 1982? We landed there in an Air Nauru 737 for an overnight. We were transported from one side of the airport to the other side by travelling under the airport. There were hundreds of tanks, guns and other military equipment parked deep underground.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 01:23
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trust me there are LOTS of hidden tunnels & locked steel doors down there, it's a rat infested rabbit warren where you could get lost & never be seen again!:-):-)
Any idea the purpose of these locked steel doors and hidden tunnels?

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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:40
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I asked around at the time out of curiosity but none one knew & or was willing to say what was behind those seriously locked doors. All I recall these days (as it was 40 years ago now) is that the doors where large, heavy in construction & had plenty of red sign on them, red meaning danger! It was a damp dark creepy place under the airport with dripping water everywhere &pipes going in all directions, the airport was built on top of a creek! EPA these days would have a fit! If ya hated ya boss you could hide him out of sight out of mind for decades down there !:-) I took my now ex wife down there one W/E back in the days before security was out of control & you could wander around the tarmac etc in thongs!!!, she hated it, hated the rats that ran between her feet, typical girl...heheh
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 01:46
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There’s a runway 09 in Melbourne? News to me.
I used it a couple of times early this year in the middle of the night. I cant remember why but it may have been runway works on 16/34 and something going on down at the 27 threshold?
Out of curiosity, what is the actual reason we're not allowed to use 09? Does anyone actually know?

I fly into Melbourne weekly and its now an almost nightly thing to get a flow time for LIZZI (or other feeder fixes) for arrivals at or after midnight with both runways in use.
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Nose wheel first View Post
I used it a couple of times early this year in the middle of the night. I cant remember why but it may have been runway works on 16/34 and something going on down at the 27 threshold?
Out of curiosity, what is the actual reason we're not allowed to use 09? Does anyone actually know?

I fly into Melbourne weekly and its now an almost nightly thing to get a flow time for LIZZI (or other feeder fixes) for arrivals at or after midnight with both runways in use.

If/when you work it out, can you let us all know the answer also?
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