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Old 12th Jun 2019, 23:44
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Im told CASA are already involved, its in the lap of the RPAS side of things. Drones with humans on board .
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 23:45
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"640 k ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981, despite the TRS-80 (1977), various models of the Apple II (first introduced in 1977) and the Atari 400/800 (1979) setting home sales records.

2023 is four years away. A day is a long time in politics.

Uber Air will be a political decision, more than a regulatory decision, in the same way Uber Rideshare was a political decision, not a regulatory decision.

Only Clairvoyants can predict the future and even then, incorrectly.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:00
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Im no clairvoyant, but I can accurately say that my future does not include a ride in an oversized drone. I will be walking, preferably not under the flightpath 😉
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:03
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
I’m no clairvoyant, but I can accurately say that my future does not include a ride in an oversized drone. I will be walking, preferably not under the flightpath ��
Let us see if Elon Musk has us on Mars next year, before this PR rubbish actually flies.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:09
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Uber Air set to take off in Australia with flying taxi trial in Melbourne



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-...ralia/11199466
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:12
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Just enjoy lucid educated commentary, similar to reading the Australian commentariat.

This may be much more advanced that indicated here: a little research may assist?

Karem

Another manufacturer
Aurora

Perhaps the most advanced and most likely to succeed
Bell
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:17
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Not one of the plethora of "Air Taxi" drones proposed has actually made a meaningful flight with a person on board- all the videos are of un-manned tests- basically RC models. And there's going to be a commercial operation in 4 years time?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:19
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Perhaps the most advanced and most likely to succeed
Bell
Maybe- but then Bell has been trying to develop a commercial tilt-rotor for 20 years.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:46
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Good luck Uber getting all this past CASA:
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. The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) told ABC Radio Melbourne the authority would work with the company to ensure the service was safe before it started operating.

CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said the list of challenges for Uber was a long one:
  • The company would have to get a safety certification for the new battery-operated aircraft which does not exist yet
  • The airspace they would use would have to be managed by authorities
  • The people operating the aircraft would need specialised training
  • Infrastructure for the mini-airports does not yet exist
The regional general manager of Uber Eats, Jodie Auster, conceded the days of pilotless flight were a long way off.

"There's a lot of work to do. An urban ridesharing network in the sky does not happen overnight. It's going to take some time," she said
That quote from CASA sounds like bureaucratese for "If anyone thinks we are going to be approving this hare-brained scheme inside the next twenty years, they had better have another think."
BTW did anyone notice the head of Uber's pizza delivery department has the surname Auster? Perhaps that's her venerable connection with aviation right there?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 00:48
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What about the INSURANCE angle to all this?
Okay so lets say they get CAA's approval, so they get a commercially viable machine to operate beyond the comic book ideas, so they can have the safety procedures put in place along with the associated redundancies needed to save the day, so they can keep the price down to affordable, so they can get the routes to work & be viable from a commercial aspect....again the insurance will be an interesting pursuit, for Uber & and customers private insurance? A LOT of so's there:-)

I've ordered a truck load of popcorn, doubt that will be enough as we watch this flying circus idea become reality:-):-)
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 01:11
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It won't happen in my lifetime and I reckon I should be good for at least 15 more years.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 01:29
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I'm sure that going back through history, everyone laughed when they said 'one day we will have these flying metal tubes taking us from one country to another'.

I'm all for the advancement of technology, and glad that people are out there pushing the boundaries of technology to further advance us.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 02:24
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Will they need ASIC cards?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 02:40
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Two years ago when I first heard of this nonsense, I though it was a dumb idea.............. I don't think I was wrong.

I would most likely be running in the other direction....
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 03:05
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Just had a quick look at the Karem link.

Could someone explain to this dumb pilot how an engine failure on take off/landing would be managed, or how easily the asymmetric thrust would be countered in the cruise. The thrust lines are a long way from the longitudinal axis.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 03:27
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
Just had a quick look at the Karem link.

Could someone explain to this dumb pilot how an engine failure on take off/landing would be managed, or how easily the asymmetric thrust would be countered in the cruise. The thrust lines are a long way from the longitudinal axis.

Such small details.
More important is did the stock price pop after this 'factual announcement'?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 04:16
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
Just had a quick look at the Karem link.

Could someone explain to this dumb pilot how an engine failure on take off/landing would be managed, or how easily the asymmetric thrust would be countered in the cruise. The thrust lines are a long way from the longitudinal axis.
The V22, newer tilt rotors have it sorted already, honestly nothing new in that design, afik the V22 has a shaft that will drive both prop/rotors in case of an single engine failure. But all that said flying taxi's are pie in the sky atm, the only even close to flying yet is the boeing PAV and thats only done unmanned hover tests
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 04:42
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
Just had a quick look at the Karem link.

Could someone explain to this dumb pilot how an engine failure on take off/landing would be managed, or how easily the asymmetric thrust would be countered in the cruise. The thrust lines are a long way from the longitudinal axis.
Folks,
Just, for a moment, forget all the Uber uberhype, and the abysmal ignorance of the media in general, one thing is true.

There are some quite remarkable devices now flying --- distributed power with small electric motors has some fascinating aerodynamic/design possibilities ---- and with each "prop" powered by a "double engine" , and " you name it" number of props, how good is your imagination. The engine failure risk metrics look really good.

Think --- it is not even necessarily a "battery" thing, but can be a hybrid, with a (just say) a hydrogen (ammonia fuel cell -- think UNSW/CIRO) powered motor driving one or more generators plus just battery reserve---- that is what distributed power, in this instance, means.


In my lifetime --- who knows, but I hope so, some of the way out prototypes are flying, right now.

Even Boeing has postulated a distributed power "turboprop", with the "turbo" part buried in the fuselage running generators.

Tootle pip!!

PS: I do have to be careful that a particularly powerful permanent magnet motor, that I have (~ 0.5 HP, weighs ~ 500gms) , with the magnet made of quite exotic material --- doesn't get too close to my pacemaker.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 05:05
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
Folks,
Just, for a moment, forget all the Uber uberhype, and the abysmal ignorance of the media in general, one thing is true.

There are some quite remarkable devices now flying --- distributed power with small electric motors has some fascinating aerodynamic/design possibilities ---- and with each "prop" powered by a "double engine" , and " you name it" number of props, how good is your imagination. The engine failure risk metrics look really good.

Think --- it is not even necessarily a "battery" thing, but can be a hybrid, with a (just say) a hydrogen (ammonia fuel cell -- think UNSW/CIRO) powered motor driving one or more generators plus just battery reserve---- that is what distributed power, in this instance, means.


In my lifetime --- who knows, but I hope so, some of the way out prototypes are flying, right now.

Even Boeing has postulated a distributed power "turboprop", with the "turbo" part buried in the fuselage running generators.

Tootle pip!!

PS: I do have to be careful that a particularly powerful permanent magnet motor, that I have (~ 0.5 HP, weighs ~ 500gms) , with the magnet made of quite exotic material --- doesn't get too close to my pacemaker.
All true Lead.
Technically feasible and all that, but what is proposed is fanciful.
It won't be built, certified, tested and deemed operational anytime soon.

Rather like airline BS on bio-fuel, all technically feasible, but a long long way before anything like commercial scale is achieved. Ignoring of course all the demonstrated practical problems growing enough of it to satisfy demand and feed ourselves at the same time!
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 09:31
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V22??? Have a look at its accident record. It could only ever be certified as a military aircraft. They are a nightmare when things go pear-shaped. Enthusiasm for this idiot idea is in inverse proportion to actual aviation experience.
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