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Old 14th Mar 2019, 13:58
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I cant find a train service to any airport (that has a dedicated station) in a western country for less than $18 Aussie
Brisbane is close at A$19.00
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 19:25
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So we’re asspiring to be only just better than a third world country Morno? If you believe all the bull$hit from pollies, Australia is the greatest country on Earth and it simply isn’t, we’ve rested on our laurels and it shows.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 20:12
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All the Australia bashing on here is laughable. Please tell me in the age of Brexit and Donald trump which country is doing things so much better? As the old saying goes, if you don’t like it, leave!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 21:31
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Maybe you’re too young to have witnessed the steep decline in this country. We used to be a can do nation with unashamed aspirations and now we’re frozen stiff by short term politics and PC crap. Ask any old timer when was the last time Australia did anything really great and they’ll reply “the snowy hydro”, a great achievement by any measure.....almost half a century ago! Now we fart around deciding if we need a piece of basic first world infrastructure.

P.S. I think you’ll find the “like it or leave” statement applies to immigrants who came here for the free stuff and the good life, and then complain about how bad they’ve got it.

Hooroo!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 22:06
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Maybe you’re too young to have witnessed the steep decline in this country. We used to be a can do nation with unashamed aspirations and now we’re frozen stiff by short term politics and PC crap. Ask any old timer when was the last time Australia did anything really great and they’ll reply “the snowy hydro”, a great achievement by any measure.....almost half a century ago! Now we fart around deciding if we need a piece of basic first world infrastructure.

P.S. I think you’ll find the “like it or leave” statement applies to immigrants who came here for the free stuff and the good life, and then complain about how bad they’ve got it.

Hooroo!
You didn’t answer my question. If Australia is such a terrible backwards country, which other countries are doing better? The U.S. has the Trump administration, gun control problems and crumbling infrastructure. The U.K. has brexit which has the potential to implode their economy (note the drop in the value of the pound since the vote). Asia has massive pollution and over population issues, the EU has opened the flood gates to refugees (1 million in Germany alone), the Middle East is great if you’re a fan of sharia law and oppressing women. South African farmers are being murdered every second day. But hang on, Melbourne Airport doesn’t have a rail link (never mind that the Tullamarine Freeway was just widened). What a terrible country we live in! I fly with heaps of guys who have spent time overseas due to the Ansett Collapse or the ‘89 dispute and I think most of them are pretty happy to be home.

Sometimes in life it’s worthwhile to remember just how good you’ve got it!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 22:24
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Maybe you’re too young to have witnessed the steep decline in this country. We used to be a can do nation with unashamed aspirations and now we’re frozen stiff by short term politics and PC crap. Ask any old timer when was the last time Australia did anything really great and they’ll reply “the snowy hydro”, a great achievement by any measure.....almost half a century ago! Now we fart around deciding if we need a piece of basic first world infrastructure.

P.S. I think you’ll find the “like it or leave” statement applies to immigrants who came here for the free stuff and the good life, and then complain about how bad they’ve got it.

Hooroo!

Well said, we now live in a seriously fractured society led by sucsesive inept Govts.
i feel sorry for the future generations of Australia, am glad I lived most of my life in a once proud country.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 23:08
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We are frozen by partisan politics. Look how long it took them to even start Buggery's Crack Airport.

In Jakarta, they have built an elevated railway right around the city leading to the airport, over 40 km, with elevated stations and it basically follows the freeway. In Oz the Labor and greens would scream their tatts off at the mere mention of such a project.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 23:55
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Straya...

I know I mention it a bit, West Brisbane, Wellcamp.

I don’t think enough focus has been put on what CAN be done if it wants to be done.

We are building an airport here - gubment no your not due airspace.

Airport built and operating.

Wagners proved what CAN be done, I jest but why not give every tender to them? Buggery’s would actually be built or are there more studies to be done on the rare western slug, or is it environmental impacts on blah blah blah.

Straya tied up by a gubment wanting to stay in power 4 years.

As mentioned above LKY was spot on.

Oh back on topic... Trains to airports... Choo Choo...
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 01:12
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Everyone having a go at Melbourne...
Oh no, I’m happy to include Sydney as a ‘Sh&@hole’ as well. Looks pretty from the Air at least!


Only problem is the trash is mixed now as Melbourne and Sydney added a million people, improving 'vibrancy'
Yes, that’s a Million people EACH, in a little under a decade. Then built practically NO additional infrastructure to cope with it. Vibrancy! Yay! At least Harry Triguboff and Gerry Harvey (et al) got rich and the Federal Governments got to crow about their GDP figures!

Now that the pollies have decided building some infrastructure might be a good idea, we end up paying through the nose because it now requires Tunneling, repurchasing property, moving other infrastructure, etc, etc... and then we still have to add in all the vested interests wanting their share of the cash...
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 04:45
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ECAMS etc...Since when has Australia based its standards on how bad it is everywhere else? I don’t have any aspirations to move OS, that’s why this pace annoys me.

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Old 15th Mar 2019, 06:53
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
ECAMS etc...Since when has Australia based its standards on how bad it is everywhere else? I don’t have any aspirations to move OS, that’s why this pace annoys me.
Save ya breath ya cant convince people who look outside their own backyard for reasons & excuses, we live HERE not over there! We all know that a lot of other countries can build anything in a short time frame, we are NOT one of them due total lack of leadership, corruption, something here that runs too deep to be effective for the good!
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 08:24
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if Humanity is going to get past the next millennium we need to concentrate on quality and not quantity especially in so called leading first world countries.

Quality in every aspect of our societies - including city infrastructure. Cities should be a nice place to be - not rat runs.

The Australian big business continuous growth and development “everything for profit” model doesn’t work to our long term benefit. We are being “mined” as a resource. It should be the other way around.

Australia is becoming 3rd world.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 09:40
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As long as we keep telling the bogans that Melbourne is the world's most liveable city and they keep believing it then Melbourne remains the world's most liveable city.

I've never had a problem using SkyBus (or other airport bus services) so don't believe a rail link will improve anything. SkyBus runs every 15m in peak, and other companies e.g. the Dandenong Airporter, have reasonable timetables if you are willing to book beforehand.

Melbourne metropolitan trains still operate with a steam age mentality. Nearly empty regional services are given higher priority causing delays and blockages in the city loop to regular metropolitan trains, and when these regional trains eventually pass they get every red signal at every station along their way to the country. And if a normal train is cancelled along a line at peak hour then all subsequent trains are full like sardine cans. You would think the train company would be able to shunt a train or two travelling in the opposite to peak to pick up the fat just like the trammies do so well, but no its all too hard for the sh!t for brains running the system.

Honestly, I don't want or need a rail link to Melbourne airport as it will be crap just like the rest of Melbourne's rail network.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 10:11
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The big plan they had was to instigate TCAS (Train Communication And Signalling) that would allow a higher flow rate through the network. (Instead of signals controlling blocks of track, TCAS would just maintain separation) This was being rolled out before I left, roughly 5 years ago. You can probably thank the militant arm of the RTBU (drivers) for that little gem.

Anyway, regardless of that, the City Loop, as cattletruck mentioned, is the achilles heel of the system. Honestly, I don't know of anywhere in the world where trains reverse direction in a tube/loop at lunchtime!
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 17:25
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Originally Posted by pilotchute View Post
The price and frequency of Skybus to Melbourne Airport makes an airport train station unfeasible.
I cant find a train service to any airport (that has a dedicated station) in a western country for less than $18 Aussie. Which funnily enough is about the cost of skybus.
The rise of Uber etc has made an airport train station even less attractive.
I literally just caught a train from Fort Worth to Terminal B at DFW for $2.50 one way.

They finished building this rail line in Jan.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 00:20
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Originally Posted by havick View Post


I literally just caught a train from Fort Worth to Terminal B at DFW for $2.50 one way.

They finished building this rail line in Jan.
I was in DFW middle of last year, the place was amazing! First time for me there & I was impressed with the infrastructure of the airport, coming back to Oz made me feel as if I dropped back into the last century & expected to see Smithy taxing in in his Southern Cross! We really are very bad at planning ahead, there's simply no foresight or leadership, just squabbling idiots called politicians!
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 01:02
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Im not happy with the way the place is being run much either BUT, Im really glad to live in a country that at least has some consideration for the people that big infrastructure projects affects.
Sure, you get major projects like highways, trains tracks or whatever built in record time but did you spare a thought for how many hundreds of people that were most likely chucked out of their homes with god knows
what compensation if any? I'd hate to think of what has been destroyed just so some accountant can get to the office 10 minutes faster
At least in this country, the impact on the average person is considered, as well as the environment ..as it should be, unlike other countries.

We all have to accept that we live in an imperfect world ..its never ever gonna always be the way we would like.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 01:20
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At least in this country, the impact on the average person is considered, as well as the environment
Net Overseas Migration running at 3-4 Times traditionally ‘average levels’ , with the bulk of said migrants crowding into already overcrowded and under-supported Capital cities, considers no such thing.

Infrastructure cannot keep up, wage growth is depressed, public services are further overcrowded the Environment has to support far denser concentrations of people; I can go on.

Even the infrastructure that ultimately is built comes up short, as it is Years later than required. Then ultimately we pay through the nose for it to be built (for various reasons that are mostly related to the above), then pay through the nose to use it once it’s finished!

If the impact on people and the Environment were a consideration, far more manageable levels of population growth should be the starting point.

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 01:44
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Originally Posted by ramble on View Post
if Humanity is going to get past the next millennium we need to concentrate on quality and not quantity especially in so called leading first world countries.

Quality in every aspect of our societies - including city infrastructure. Cities should be a nice place to be - not rat runs.

The Australian big business continuous growth and development “everything for profit” model doesn’t work to our long term benefit. We are being “mined” as a resource. It should be the other way around.

Australia is becoming 3rd world.

This is spot on, the only thing you forgot was ‘return on investment’ and ‘shareholder return’ (As all infrastructure costs require this .) Someone has to get rich for all this ‘planning’ work to be done.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 03:31
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This is spot on, the only thing you forgot was ‘return on investment’ and ‘shareholder return’
Tthe old chestnut " cost benefit analysis", you know like the one they did on the Sydney Harbour Bridge. How many lanes would we build on the SYB these days?

just squabbling idiots called politicians!
And all the NIMBYs that come out of hibernation or a change in Govt.

An example is the excellent idea we had in Brisbane for the cross river tunnel. It was to included BUS and rail.
However, like a lot of other progressive engineering, as against political, thinking, it was "de-newmanised" by the present Govt. So we may get a tunnel with just rail.

The bus expansion has now to compete for routes and stops with other surface infrastructure..
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