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Rail Link - Melbourne Airport.

Old 13th Mar 2019, 07:30
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Rail Link - Melbourne Airport.

Is it just me or have politics and greed combined to knobble the provision of fast convenient rail access to YMML?

The politics: the route is a huge dogleg from the airport through Sunshine station - the (labor voting) crime capital of Victoria, then by regional lines to the central city.

The greed: Folks, this is going to be a slow, infrequent service bedeviled by crime and unnecessary suburban rail stops. This is nothing like the frequent express services of Europe. And the cost! $10billion! And the time - 9 years to build starting in 2022!

Thus there is not going to be any cheap, viable, convenient alternative to the greedy airport and itís carparks for at least another 13 years!
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Is it just me or have politics and greed combined to knobble the provision of fast convenient rail access to YMML?

The politics: the route is a huge dogleg from the airport through Sunshine station - the (labor voting) crime capital of Victoria, then by regional lines to the central city.

The greed: Folks, this is going to be a slow, infrequent service bedeviled by crime and unnecessary suburban rail stops. This is nothing like the frequent express services of Europe. And the cost! $10billion! And the time - 9 years to build starting in 2022!

Thus there is not going to be any cheap, viable, convenient alternative to the greedy airport and itís carparks for at least another 13 years!
Got to protect the Taxi Uber industry too.
Is it true there is a completed station under the international terminal already that has been sitting idle for all these years?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 08:18
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Sounds just like the rail link in Paris - thatís in Europe isnít it?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 08:59
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Sco Mo said the trains could/would use the new metro tunnel! So screwing the capacity of that tunnel.

My route, favoured by a local polli was to run the line due west to the Calder Park raceway then South to Southern Cross.
(this is the massive area of land under the high voltage power lines)

Plenty of space for a station next to Calder Park, providing
1/ Park and ride to those on Calder or heading from the West in the ring road
2/ interchange to regional and urban rail lines
3/ This provides an alternative route and so decentralises transport routes, which is a strategically savvy long term plan.
4/ Potential redevelopment of Calder Park raceway for a F1 venue(currently Victoria paying $50M a year to host F1)
5/ Budget hotel
6/ Train Shuttle from park and ride to terminals reduces traffic congestion around terminals.

The issue is that Melbourne Airport would gag at the potential loss of parking fees, due to a park and ride that is off-airport.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 09:39
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Nightmare of a place to live and work out of. Choked with traffic, crime and socialist propaganda at every turn. A million people have turned up in the last 5 years and no change to infrastructure whatsoever. Half the time you’re stuck behind a tram if you think you'll be clever and try to to avoid the tolls. Worse thing is the landslide victory in the elections basically saying “we love this give us more”. How can a city this big not have a high speed train city to the airport in 2019, honestly. The current trains are broken half the time anyway. In the city you wonder when the next extremist is going to have a crack at getting front page news while the police run around in circles trying to catch them meanwhile locals chime in with trolleys and other "deterrents". Its a dead set circus.

At the airport the ATIS changes 3-5 times from setup to pushback and just about every 3rd pushback involves a runway change. On arrival it’s ARBEY, LIZZI and WAREN times over and over no matter what time of day or night. Runway and taxiway works that have been going for at least a decade. After 4 long sectors, 12 hours on the clocks you’re at max weight onto a wet Runway 27 quartering gusty crosswind tailwind. Meanwhile the carpark clears a million bucks a day while the airlines scratch their heads on where to find more revenue. Over in the that backwater Brisbane they've had an airport train for more than a decade and shortly two big parallel runways.

Seriously, the coffee and food just isn’t that good but if you’ve been outside of Australia.

Please flame me I want to hear "if you don't like it leave" as its quite original and well thought out. Was a great city, its been left behind and taken off on a tangent in the last 10 years particularly the last 5. Via Sunshine? Awesome, a few ICE fuelled bashings to get the kiddies up to speed sound like a great idea.


If you've been away this is todays Melbourne https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-...ossing/8330560

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 10:44
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Yep!

I left ML10 years ago and was sad to say goodbye. Now I can't wait to get out of the place when I visit. Having said that, Macedon Ranges are still gorgeous.

Unfortunately though it's not just Melbourne. It's now everywhere.........

The leftist loonies, tree huggers and PC brigade have dug themselves in like Alabama ticks. The countries nearly f**ked and will be completely after the next general election.


Very sad state of affairs!
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 11:15
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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher View Post
Got to protect the Taxi Uber industry too.
Is it true there is a completed station under the international terminal already that has been sitting idle for all these years?
Ah yes, I have heard that one over the years...perhaps it links up to the secret alien base under Denver airport.
But in all seriousness, I understand there is really a tunnel already under Southern Cross which is ready for the the airport link when they start work on it...that said, never let the truth get in the way of a good rumour.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 11:31
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$10billion! And the time - 9 years to build starting in 2022
That would be the cost and time frame from a tunnel from the Airport direct to Flinders St.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 11:40
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Someone mentioned Paris, that rail link is a public not always express but it works and is direct.

Dedicated rail links ideal.

There are so many airports around the world with great public transport options - Australia erm?

Havent been to Melb for a while but last time the road works, sheeet I thought that was for a train up the middle.

Can someone not just contract the Wagners?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 16:08
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And the cost! $10billion! And the time - 9 years to build starting in 2022!
Well duh, of course. The construction unions in Australia need job security so they'll string something out from how long it should take (a few years) to how long they want their workers to be making a salary that is in excess of a captain on a narrowbody aircraft. Talk about a backwards country. I live in the US now and the project speeds over here are incredible. They've built a whole new freeway structure in the city I live, including overpasses, new roads etc etc in a little over a year.

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 16:17
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I donít know why people get so excited about a rail link.

Sydney did it, but only with an Olympics looming, and they made it cost so much itís cheaper to get a cab into the city with more than 1 person.

Itís not an express, it doesnít take you anywhere fast.

The Melbourne one will be the same. In fact, I think I heard Skybus (itís main competition) will be one of itís major shareholders. So Iím guessing it wonít be price competitive with the existing options.

Donít for one minute think youíll be getting a cheaper or quicker route to the airport... Ten Billion dollars later...
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 16:17
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This is all part of the outer rail circle which will be built in time for my children's children's retirement. Should just build it to Broadmeadows. Same social issues but should be able to be done a lot quicker and already part of the outer rail circle grand plan as far as I'm aware.

What will be first- a train from Melbourne airport or Badgery's creek opening?
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 02:31
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Originally Posted by Berealgetreal View Post
Nightmare of a place to live and work out of. Choked with traffic, crime and socialist propaganda at every turn. A million people have turned up in the last 5 years and no change to infrastructure whatsoever. Half the time youíre stuck behind a tram if you think you'll be clever and try to to avoid the tolls. Worse thing is the landslide victory in the elections basically saying ďwe love this give us moreĒ. How can a city this big not have a high speed train city to the airport in 2019, honestly. The current trains are broken half the time anyway. In the city you wonder when the next extremist is going to have a crack at getting front page news while the police run around in circles trying to catch them meanwhile locals chime in with trolleys and other "deterrents". Its a dead set circus.

At the airport the ATIS changes 3-5 times from setup to pushback and just about every 3rd pushback involves a runway change. On arrival itís ARBEY, LIZZI and WAREN times over and over no matter what time of day or night. Runway and taxiway works that have been going for at least a decade. After 4 long sectors, 12 hours on the clocks youíre at max weight onto a wet Runway 27 quartering gusty crosswind tailwind. Meanwhile the carpark clears a million bucks a day while the airlines scratch their heads on where to find more revenue. Over in the that backwater Brisbane they've had an airport train for more than a decade and shortly two big parallel runways.

Seriously, the coffee and food just isnít that good but if youíve been outside of Australia.

Please flame me I want to hear "if you don't like it leave" as its quite original and well thought out. Was a great city, its been left behind and taken off on a tangent in the last 10 years particularly the last 5. Via Sunshine? Awesome, a few ICE fuelled bashings to get the kiddies up to speed sound like a great idea.


If you've been away this is todays Melbourne https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-...ossing/8330560

This! A million times this. Iím lost as to why people choose to live there, but I guess some are just suckers for punishment.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 06:20
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The Alice Springs - Darwin railway construction project took approximately 18 months to complete 1,420km of track (including up to 2km of track per day) at a total cost of approximately $1.2 Billion completed in 17 September 2003. (approx. 846,000/km

`In one day, on April 28, 1869, these men, fired with the enthusiasm of the greatest railroad construction race in the history of the world, laid ten miles and fifty-six feet of track in a little less than twelve hours to bring the rail head of the Central Pacific three and one-half miles from Promontory, Utah, USA using steam driven cranes and shovels by a small squad of Irish workmen and Chinese Coolies.' A record unbroken to this day.
(I will wash my mouth out later)

The proposed ambitious project will cost an estimated $8-$13 billion and the time - 9 years to build starting in 2022 to be completed 2031: This to build approximately 27 kms of track, infrastructure & stations!

No wonder the country is rooted as Hanrahan would say; Rooted I tell yers Mate! Rooted!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 07:05
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Female traffic lights??? Really??? Isnít there better things to do for Melbourne, like cracking down on the crime gangs, for instance?
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The proposed ambitious project will cost an estimated $8-$13 billion and the time - 9 years to build starting in 2022 to be completed 2031: This to build approximately 27 kms of track, infrastructure & stations!
Endless immigration and declining infrastructure spend is gridlock.
Outside the home market myopia Australia is now the white trash of Asia LKY warned of, with the third world infrastructure to match. Only problem is the trash is mixed now as Melbourne and Sydney added a million people, improving 'vibrancy'
Stuck in endless traffic gridlock, inhaling toxic fumes or stuck on a train inhaling unwashed toxic armpit fumes, the commuters can at least enjoy the glow of flammable cladding lighting their way, while toll roads circle the city, on their ever lengthening commute.

Sounds like an episode of the brilliant ABC series "Utopia" oh wait...
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 08:58
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There is no Station under Tullamarine. Plenty of service tunnels but that's it. There is also no tunnel under SXS aside from the old pedestrian access tunnels.

The best idea I heard was a Maglev or Monorail...yes, just like Shelbyville...into the old DFO at SXS.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 13:28
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Australia is fast becoming a mediocre country. There is no logic to anything and people in charge making the laws and what not constantly take us futther backwards. Australia unfortunately is a backwater, and we can't seem make basic decisions or do anything with foresight because someone gets upset, and then everything is stonewalled.

Everyone having a go at Melbourne, just remember that Sydney is an 'international' city but doesn't have a 24hr airport and you can't get a drink after 10pm because everything is closed.

What is it with this country..
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 13:42
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The price and frequency of Skybus to Melbourne Airport makes an airport train station unfeasible.
I cant find a train service to any airport (that has a dedicated station) in a western country for less than $18 Aussie. Which funnily enough is about the cost of skybus.
The rise of Uber etc has made an airport train station even less attractive.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 13:45
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Sure Australia has its problems, but have any of you guys actually ever lived in a third world country?

Might stop your whinging if you did. I enjoy nothing more than stepping onto Australian soil after months in the real third world.

Buildings that are not falling down, clean air that doesnít have a hazardous rating for 10 months of the year, rules and standards that donít see you and your family risking life and limb whenever they step outside..... you know, just the small things that you take for granted
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