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Old 20th Dec 2018, 05:18
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Originally Posted by Gold Coast Tobacco
Newman 40C 5 Tail 1013
RWY 05 A320 69 300kg B737 66357kg
RWY 23 A320 68 200kg B737 65 991kg
Out of interest, what are the empty weights of these?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 06:40
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Icarus2001 - No they are not and yes they do.
Network have been a QF salaried & owned subsidiary since 2011.
All tickets except closed mining charters are sold on the QF website and link into the greater QF domestic & International flight schedules. Only a small portion of their flights now depart out of the Network Terminal.
Alliance & Cobham? Both privately owned separate entities that are subcontracted to the "brand" and doing very well at it still, I guess you'd say. Cobham's B717's though are QF property.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 06:56
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Bloggs, A320 43900 give or take
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 07:25
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Icarus2001 - No they are not and yes they do.
Network have been a QF salaried & owned subsidiary since 2011.
Network are a contract charter company owned by QF. The trick is that their only client is Qantas. Network do not sell tickets, QF do.

https://www.networkaviation.com.au/

Guess what it says on their website?:

we are Western Australia’s premier Aircraft Charter Company for FIFO Air Charters and Private Air Charters.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 11:42
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Icarus, by your logic eastern and sunstate are contract charter too then right?

When i I fly a charter I tick the non scheduled box during flight planning... a very rare thing now a days.
When I fly RPT I tick the scheduled box, which is most flights these days.

The only people going to networks website are clients interested in chartering an aircraft, and probably pilots looking for work but the site hasnít changed in years! Didnít you know weíre in austerity!
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 12:43
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Originally Posted by dreamer84 View Post
What would your proposition be? Bid for work prior to implementing the type, or maybe build the capability pre tender? From where I sit it would make good sense to integrate a new type well before new opportunities become available? And what new FMG airport are you referring to out of interest - additional to the existing other 2 down the road? And I assume you're aware of a few other miners in the region other than Roy Hill and FMG?
Not too many aerodrome operators (mining companies) are going to invest in an additional 500m of pavement and related infrastructure beyond their existing 2000m or so when they don't have to. Almost all recent aerodrome upgrades in the vicinity involve nil extra length with some additional PCN. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. But maybe I'm only dreaming
The spin from the company to Mainline Pilots was that the resource companies were “demanding” the 320 for the contract work. A whopping extra 6 seats over a B738. That demand hasn’t really eventuated yet and the RPT stuff has been the backbone of the A320 operation from what I can see. The further spin about lowering Broome airfares for locals was proof that the A320 wasn’t as well received in the Pilbara as they’d hoped and had to find somewhere to send the jets. The B738 is an incredibly reliable machine and the general feeling is that the Big 3 (FMG/Rio/BHP) have long memories from the sh1t heap 320 that Skywest used to run around up there breaking down all the time. Roy Hill likewise - apparently they don’t want anything to do with Network because of the unreliability of the F100s. Gina isn’t one of the richest women in the world by accident.

The new FMG strip is not common knowledge yet but will service the Eliwana operation and will be 2500m according to the guys at Solomon. Here’s some reading for you - https://thewest.com.au/business/mini...-ng-b88848638z

Keep dreaming but be careful it’s not a wet one. Shiny jet syndrome will wear off soon and you’ll wake up with sticky sheets and realise you’re the lowest paid 320 pilots getting around during the time of a shortage


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Old 20th Dec 2018, 21:22
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
Network is the thirdMajor Airline in Australia,
if youre looking. at coming home from OS do it now and beat the rush , with the forecast growth in population of Australia it will be huge,
and the only way to sort qf mainline training woes
For all the kiddies out there, this is what injecting Koolaid does to you.
Third major airline? Who would have thought QF, VOZ and Jstar wouldn't have made the podium.
Population Growth..with both parties advocating major changes to immigration, wrong on that one too..
Mainline training-with another 5000hrs of flying on the 737 planned from February onwards, they have stabilised too..
As for beating the rush to join Network...the very fact you have to post such dribble on here says it all. Another HR/IR troll.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 23:17
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So which routes are the 320s currently flying?

Excuse my ignorance, not fishing for anything here, just generally interested.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 01:46
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Broome, Newman, Solomon, Port Hedland, Karratha and Broome. Broome is mostly on the weekends, where they are using it in place of a 717 on Friday, Saturday and Sunday services to appease the state government's desire for cheaper fares.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 02:45
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Transition Layer, thereís no dreams at all and certainly no shiny jet syndrome! Network has been around longer than Jetstar and has gone through multiple new types in that time, itís not a new company!

To be clear we didnít accept anything! We had it jammed down our throats from a higher power, those that are on it made a choice, which avoided the company going down the DEC path again. And make no mistake they would have if the need arose.

We already know the 320 drivers are probably the worse paid in the land, those that are on it spent time at jq training and have a pretty good understanding of differences. The next EBA will hopefully sort this out but who knows?
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 05:02
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Originally Posted by kimbobimbo View Post
Transition Layer, thereís no dreams at all and certainly no shiny jet syndrome! Network has been around longer than Jetstar and has gone through multiple new types in that time, itís not a new company!

To be clear we didnít accept anything! We had it jammed down our throats from a higher power, those that are on it made a choice, which avoided the company going down the DEC path again. And make no mistake they would have if the need arose.

We already know the 320 drivers are probably the worse paid in the land, those that are on it spent time at jq training and have a pretty good understanding of differences. The next EBA will hopefully sort this out but who knows?
kimbobimbo,
My shiny jet comments were directed at dreamer, who seems very excited by the whole 320 operation and somewhat oblivious to the bigger forces at play (IR tactics etc).

Iíve always found your comments in the past regarding Network to be very level headed and quite rational, the comment about JQ notwithstanding. Network was just a turboprop and charter operation until jets arrived in 2008 and only really grew when QF took over in 2011. JQ started in 2004, having been formed from the ashes of Impulse which was around many years earlier.

As for the next EBA, thereís no doubt JQ pay should be the starting point for Network. But we know that wonít happen without a fight!
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 05:12
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My comments are usually level headed... except when they move the thread! Then I loose it haha!
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 06:49
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Network was not an economic acquisition, it was industrial.
A charter operator sitting in the right place when the mining build out accelerated. As previously stated it is the build up phase where the big movements of people occur, sourcing bigger equipment the order of the day.
That Qantas purchased it as the build up wound off is indicative of their intent: Another 'rainy day purchase'

That Qantas have pilots based in WA with open contracts is no secret, that Network cannot source sufficient crew IR hope remains secret, The only leverage they have is this perennial threat of a subsidiary replacing QF tail services. That strategy relied upon unlimited supply of pilots. Presently, the team including the 'Stream Lead' (ex AIPA President) is tasked with building narrative to broaden the recruitment of foreign pilots.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 21:05
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 22:54
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Network Aviation A320's are an experiement, to condition the travelling public to seeing an A320 with a red tail. Many 737 routes have already been replaced with 717's (eg BNE-ADL is 3x717 1x737 now), and chances are one day they will be replaced with 320's, and slowly the whole domestic fleet will be 320s operated and maintained by contract companies, contract pilots and contract hosties wearing the QF uniform. High 5s and bonuses all round at HQ.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 01:22
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
Network Aviation A320's are an experiement, to condition the travelling public to seeing an A320 with a red tail. Many 737 routes have already been replaced with 717's (eg BNE-ADL is 3x717 1x737 now), and chances are one day they will be replaced with 320's, and slowly the whole domestic fleet will be 320s operated and maintained by contract companies, contract pilots and contract hosties wearing the QF uniform. High 5s and bonuses all round at HQ.
Pretty obvious this is Alanís end game.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 02:06
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40 birds were slated for Hong Kong and some ĎPremium Airlineí.

Vietnam and Singapore donít want them, in fact Vietnam has been sourcing their own new aircraft.

Only half of JQs current fleet needs to be replaced by mid 2020s.

A QF 737 to 320 Fleet conversion sounds logical. There is no other place for all these excess Airbus aircraft.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 02:44
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And no sign whatsoever of a 737 replacement order.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 03:02
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So why can't the respective pilot groups there in Oz get together, help raise all Terms & C's in the current shortage of pilots, to ensure another Nepolion white-anting plan does wreak havoc?
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 03:21
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
And no sign whatsoever of a 737 replacement order.
Boeing last earnings call stated they have backlog until mid next decade.

Virgin started negotiating 737 Max orders back in 2011 and finalised orders the following year. The first one hits the production line in the next half.

Its now at the point where Virgin will have its full 40 fleet of MAXs delivered before QF even gets a single one.


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