BB solves JT 610 crash
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I was just wondering, after it was brought to my attention, of peoples opinions of an airline chairman appearing on national TV (and where that person was clearly identified in his role as the chairman of a specific airline) giving an opinion following Lion's fatal crash.
Was it appropriate/inappropriate, professional/unprofessional? I've an open mind and am yet to decide but am curious as to what others think.
Was it appropriate/inappropriate, professional/unprofessional? I've an open mind and am yet to decide but am curious as to what others think.
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I was just wondering, after it was brought to my attention, of peoples opinions of an airline chairman appearing on national TV (and where that person was clearly identified in his role as the chairman of a specific airline) giving an opinion following Lion's fatal crash.
Was it appropriate/inappropriate, professional/unprofessional? I've an open mind and am yet to decide but am curious as to what others think.
Was it appropriate/inappropriate, professional/unprofessional? I've an open mind and am yet to decide but am curious as to what others think.
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No, it's not about attacking the man but, rather, playing the ball.
I'm interested, as a principle, whether it is wise or otherwise for any airline chairman to make comments on such a situation at another airline. Not comments espousing condolences but in generality about standards and regulatory oversight. As an independent commentator, yes, but as a chairman linked to a specific airline I'm left wondering.
I'm interested, as a principle, whether it is wise or otherwise for any airline chairman to make comments on such a situation at another airline. Not comments espousing condolences but in generality about standards and regulatory oversight. As an independent commentator, yes, but as a chairman linked to a specific airline I'm left wondering.
dash 8 you could buy 20 kts tailwind green pages...
BB might be right in his conclusions, but it was absolutely indefensible what he did. The smug and condescending attitude alone would be enough, wearing a uniform while not on duty, unbelievable.
Here we go. The corruption is well underway already.
https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation...ng-b881011824z
https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation...ng-b881011824z
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So now it is revealed it had the airspeed issue on the few previous flights according to the flight data recorder.
This is huge if true and gives an insight into the safety culture of the airline, the previous crews either didn’t realise the airspeed indication was wrong or they did and didn’t report it or they reported it and nothing was done.
I really feel for Boeing as they are copping allot of the heat but at what point is it the operators responsibility.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...ights-10899664
This is huge if true and gives an insight into the safety culture of the airline, the previous crews either didn’t realise the airspeed indication was wrong or they did and didn’t report it or they reported it and nothing was done.
I really feel for Boeing as they are copping allot of the heat but at what point is it the operators responsibility.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...ights-10899664
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Aircraft makers can't make the perfect plane but they can put in place systems & procedures to give the pilot/s a fighting chance when things of importance go haywire!
It's the events after the initial problem (most likely critical flight parameter indications) that will need very careful review. The AF447 is the perfect Eg of events that destroyed the plane & lives of many when in actual fact there was no need for it to end like that!
Hope they get to the bottom of this terrible event & everyone can learn something!
It's the events after the initial problem (most likely critical flight parameter indications) that will need very careful review. The AF447 is the perfect Eg of events that destroyed the plane & lives of many when in actual fact there was no need for it to end like that!
Hope they get to the bottom of this terrible event & everyone can learn something!
It looks like BB didn’t solve it.
Boeing nearing 737 Max fleet bulletin on AoA warning after Lion Air crash
This is a breaking story and will be updated.
Boeing will issue a service bulletin to 737 Max operators worldwide warning operators that the jet’s angle of attack sensor can produce erroneous indications causing the single-aisle jet to enter an aggressive dive, according to a senior industry official familiar with the action.
The bulletin comes after a newly-delivered Lion Air 737 Max crashed off the coast of Indonesia on October 29, killing all aboard. The bulletin is expected to say that Indonesian air safety officials have said that Lion Air flight 610 experienced erroneous angle of attack input.
According to the official familiar with the bulletin, Boeing warns operators that the angle of attack issue can occur during only manual flight. The erroneous AOA input can pitch the aircraft’s stabilizer trim down for up to 10 seconds as a time.
The plane maker is expected to caution pilots to use the electric stabilizer trim to reverse the downward stabilizer trim, but the nose-over can begin again five seconds after those switches are released, the official added.
The repeated uncommanded nose down action can be stopped by deactivating the stabilizer trim system, according to the official. Boeing warns that the stabilizer system can reach its full downward position if not counteracted by pilot trimming the aircraft and disconnecting the stabilizer trim system.
The service bulletin is likely to be the prelude to a formal airworthiness directive from the Federal Aviation Administration.
Boeing did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The bulletin is expected to be issued as early as Wednesday morning, according to Bloomberg News, which first reportedthe impending operator notification.
This is a breaking story and will be updated.
Boeing will issue a service bulletin to 737 Max operators worldwide warning operators that the jet’s angle of attack sensor can produce erroneous indications causing the single-aisle jet to enter an aggressive dive, according to a senior industry official familiar with the action.
The bulletin comes after a newly-delivered Lion Air 737 Max crashed off the coast of Indonesia on October 29, killing all aboard. The bulletin is expected to say that Indonesian air safety officials have said that Lion Air flight 610 experienced erroneous angle of attack input.
According to the official familiar with the bulletin, Boeing warns operators that the angle of attack issue can occur during only manual flight. The erroneous AOA input can pitch the aircraft’s stabilizer trim down for up to 10 seconds as a time.
The plane maker is expected to caution pilots to use the electric stabilizer trim to reverse the downward stabilizer trim, but the nose-over can begin again five seconds after those switches are released, the official added.
The repeated uncommanded nose down action can be stopped by deactivating the stabilizer trim system, according to the official. Boeing warns that the stabilizer system can reach its full downward position if not counteracted by pilot trimming the aircraft and disconnecting the stabilizer trim system.
The service bulletin is likely to be the prelude to a formal airworthiness directive from the Federal Aviation Administration.
Boeing did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The bulletin is expected to be issued as early as Wednesday morning, according to Bloomberg News, which first reportedthe impending operator notification.
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"It boils down to me to lack of training on the part of the pilots," Australian aviation expert and former Emirates pilot Captain Byron Bailey said today.Captain Bailey, who has more than 45 years experience flying, says when the plane landed in Jakarta, the airline would have likely replaced the malfunctioning air data computer and deemed the problem solved."They probably got airborne again but this captain didn't handle it so well," Captain Bailey said.Despite the pilot, Indian national Bhavye Suneja, and his co-pilot having 6000 and 5000 flight hours respectively, Captain Bailey believes the crash could have been avoided and the pilots were only "experienced on paper".
If anyone knows this idiot Bailey, perhaps he can exhibit his 'professionalism' and issue an immediate and complete retraction, with a full apology.
You told me when something's bothering you and you're too damn stupid to know what to do, just keep your fool mouth shut. At least that way, you won't make things worse.
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What they both said was a disgrace. Any shred of professional integrity would see these village idiots offer a complete and sincere apology with an offer to pay restitution.
They have slandered deceased individuals which the facts may show were horribly ill prepared.
One sincerely hopes that teams of lawyers litigate Boeing, the FAA and indeed these two classless buffoons.
Am I honestly reading this correctly.
A failure of ADC data leads to autopilot disconnect and crew reversion to manual flight. So far so good. Then a secondary failure (or a symptom of the first) leads to erroneous AOA data being sent to the flight control system, even in manual flight mode!?
The crew are now faced with a full nose down trim at low altitude whilst barely commencing the failure management of the initial problem.
Am I missing something?
Why aren’t all 737 Max 8/9’s sitting on the ground until this is resolved?
A failure of ADC data leads to autopilot disconnect and crew reversion to manual flight. So far so good. Then a secondary failure (or a symptom of the first) leads to erroneous AOA data being sent to the flight control system, even in manual flight mode!?
The crew are now faced with a full nose down trim at low altitude whilst barely commencing the failure management of the initial problem.
Am I missing something?
Why aren’t all 737 Max 8/9’s sitting on the ground until this is resolved?
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Am I honestly reading this correctly.
A failure of ADC data leads to autopilot disconnect and crew reversion to manual flight. So far so good. Then a secondary failure (or a symptom of the first) leads to erroneous AOA data being sent to the flight control system, even in manual flight mode!?
The crew are now faced with a full nose down trim at low altitude whilst barely commencing the failure management of the initial problem.
Am I missing something?
Why aren’t all 737 Max 8/9’s sitting on the ground until this is resolved?
A failure of ADC data leads to autopilot disconnect and crew reversion to manual flight. So far so good. Then a secondary failure (or a symptom of the first) leads to erroneous AOA data being sent to the flight control system, even in manual flight mode!?
The crew are now faced with a full nose down trim at low altitude whilst barely commencing the failure management of the initial problem.
Am I missing something?
Why aren’t all 737 Max 8/9’s sitting on the ground until this is resolved?
The airlines flying this junk are listed entities and there is commercial impact.
The regulator is captured to ensure there is no commercial impact.
Advice to BB. Don't be so quick to shoot your bolt with headline-grabbing rubbish about things of which - unless you have the FDR readouts - you could have no possible knowledge. Some of us in the industry see your credibility descending to that of GT, the erstwhile bag-snatcher and PPL. Not a good look for an ex-airline jock.
And lose the wanky uniform unless actually on flying duty..
And lose the wanky uniform unless actually on flying duty..
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Simple. Everyone who is genuinely a pilot inundate his inbox Captain Byron Bailey - Aviation Expert in a professional and respectful manner, letting him know just how out of line - disgraceful - his comments were.
"45 years experience" and yet he hasn't learnt the golden rule : sit on your hands when you don't know all the information. His comments were a disgrace, and needs to be removed from the public's eye.
#9TodayShow should also get bombarded so they don't put him on tv again.
"45 years experience" and yet he hasn't learnt the golden rule : sit on your hands when you don't know all the information. His comments were a disgrace, and needs to be removed from the public's eye.
#9TodayShow should also get bombarded so they don't put him on tv again.
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Advice to BB. Don't be so quick to shoot your bolt with headline-grabbing rubbish about things of which - unless you have the FDR readouts - you could have no possible knowledge. Some of us in the industry see your credibility descending to that of GT, the erstwhile bag-snatcher and PPL. Not a good look for an ex-airline jock.
And lose the wanky uniform unless actually on flying duty..
And lose the wanky uniform unless actually on flying duty..
Buy this man a beer (or two).