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Mt Isa to Brisvegas with a side trip to Longreach. I guess the punters could visit the QF Founders Museum while they wait...
Mt Isa to Brisvegas with a side trip to Longreach. I guess the punters could visit the QF Founders Museum while they wait...
I wonder whether the aeroplanes at Longreach were actually operated by QANTAS? Maybe, there's a small sticker by the door that says operated by ......../......../......../........ on behalf of QANTAS Airways.
Silliness of the article aside, as someone who is affected by these QF/Alliance flights, it really drives me mad when they charge the same ticket price for a ****ty F100 or F70 that isn’t even operated by Qantas, and still crap on in the booking email about how you can expect the Qantas service onboard.
Why am I paying (quite a considerable amount) for Qantas service but receiving a substandard offering?
ACCC?
Why am I paying (quite a considerable amount) for Qantas service but receiving a substandard offering?
ACCC?
Mt Isa to Brisvegas with a side trip to Longreach. I guess the punters could visit the QF Founders Museum while they wait...
Shouldn't that Fokker F100 also be in that museum?
That one is for aircraft that are part of the history of a once truly iconic brand
that many of us wish still retained at least some of that which made it an icon.
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Hmmmm- ex the Register:
"Aircraft first registered in Australia: 5 February 2018. Serial number: 11468"
Has, 'it' really been here long enough to have QF historical 'Provenance' and relevance.............????
Agree- it has 'operated' for QF/or on behalf of them, in a sense................
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Agree- it has 'operated' for QF/or on behalf of them, in a sense................
Rgds
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What shytes me is I work for one of these airlines and I have a personal interest in this flight for family reasons. According to flight radar 24 the rego was VH UQC the previous days it was operating as TT flights. WTF. I did a dummy booking for the 30th of July ISA-BNE with QANTAS $379 on an Alliance F100 (2 hrs 20 mins) Bugger that I’m sick of QANTAS out sourcing I’m going Virgin $365 Virgin (operated by Aliance with a F100) only 2 hrs 15 mns. The Virgin F100 is quicker than the QANTAS one. Sort your **** out
As somebody interested in aviation but without any skin in the game it amuses me how nearly every airline in Australia, at various times, “loans” its call sign to a bloody old Alliance Fokker. I have no doubt that they are well built and still serviceable aircraft and if necessary I would travel in one but here’s the rub – these flights mostly operate regional services where there is little or no competition and hence steep airfares that the carriers claim are necessary to maintain the services. This argument is diminished somewhat by the use of such old aircraft, particularly on runs like BNE – ISA that used to have B737 services and where now the country’s two biggest airlines “compete” using Alliance Fokkers.There is an apparent business case for smaller jet airliners in Australia otherwise Alliance would not have so many out on lease. Notwithstanding Virgin has recently disposed of their E Jets, now that Airbus and Boeing effectively own Bombardier and Embraer, might we eventually see some new small jets operating here or will they still be carting us around in second and third hand Fokkers and B717s in 2030?
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Mr LOSTPROPERTY has obviously never run an airline. Markets like Mt Isa-Brisbane etc are very thin pax wise. In the past Isa was served as a stop en-route Brisbane-Darwin with B727's. The numbers don't work on a 180 seat jet like a B738 and the fare structure relates to the costs. Newish or new aircraft costs many multiples of an F100 for example. Who pays?
I don't think they're asking for 737's out there again (they had 2 running most days there for several years during the mining boom), but if they're forced to pay ridiculous prices, at least stick them on a jet with a Kangaroo on the tail. Charging the same price and then sticking them on a 30 year old jet that is more cramped than a 717, with no entertainment, and as happened earlier this week - no toilets, is hardly acceptable.
They were hardly forthcoming in the pricing structure at the recent Senate Inquiry either. What have they got to hide?
What's that got to do with today's market?
I don't think they're asking for 737's out there again (they had 2 running most days there for several years during the mining boom), but if they're forced to pay ridiculous prices, at least stick them on a jet with a Kangaroo on the tail. Charging the same price and then sticking them on a 30 year old jet that is more cramped than a 717, with no entertainment, and as happened earlier this week - no toilets, is hardly acceptable.
They were hardly forthcoming in the pricing structure at the recent Senate Inquiry either. What have they got to hide?
I don't think they're asking for 737's out there again (they had 2 running most days there for several years during the mining boom), but if they're forced to pay ridiculous prices, at least stick them on a jet with a Kangaroo on the tail. Charging the same price and then sticking them on a 30 year old jet that is more cramped than a 717, with no entertainment, and as happened earlier this week - no toilets, is hardly acceptable.
They were hardly forthcoming in the pricing structure at the recent Senate Inquiry either. What have they got to hide?
They don’t have anything to hide: its in plain sight. If both Virgin and QF outsource to the same secondary carrier it starts to look and feel like monopoly behaviour- pricing, quality, equipment all the same, just like in the days of the two airline model (split monopoly) except without the champagne.
It seems to me that Mt Isa is a natural small jet market. It will always be a branch line market served by branch line type aircraft. In 15 years there will be posts on pPrune about E190s with u/s toilets.
My home town went from eight Viscount and Vanguard services to six times DC-9 and four 737s daily to six DHC-8 in just 25 years. I moved to a real city and stopped caring.
It seems to me that Mt Isa is a natural small jet market. It will always be a branch line market served by branch line type aircraft. In 15 years there will be posts on pPrune about E190s with u/s toilets.
My home town went from eight Viscount and Vanguard services to six times DC-9 and four 737s daily to six DHC-8 in just 25 years. I moved to a real city and stopped caring.
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"There is an apparent business case for smaller jet airliners in Australia otherwise Alliance would not have so many out on lease. Notwithstanding Virgin has recently disposed of their E Jets, now that Airbus and Boeing effectively own Bombardier and Embraer, might we eventually see some new small jets operating here or will they still be carting us around in second and third hand Fokkers and B717s in 2030?"
Many of them are used in Australia by Alliance Airlines, Virgin Australia Regional Airlines and QantasLink in support of the mining industry, with low utilisation rates for an airline, around 1,200 hours per year.
100 hours per month average will never pay for a new aircraft.
The same philosophy applies to SAAB 340/2000, Fokker 50 and possibly DHC-8-100.
or will they still be carting us around in second and third hand Fokkers and B717s in 2030?
first one into Service was 1999, the first “new generation 737 was 1996 I believe.
in short, the 717 is not a DC9 any more than (in fact less alike) the 737-800 is the same as a 737-1 or 200.
have a look up fron one day.
The difference is capital costs and probably lower operator overheads. The last of 283 Fokker 100's (113 remain in service) is now 21 years old and infinitely cheaper to acquire than a comparable new, modern technology aircraft.
100 hours per month average will never pay for a new aircraft.
The same philosophy applies to SAAB 340/2000, Fokker 50 and possibly DHC-8-100.
100 hours per month average will never pay for a new aircraft.
The same philosophy applies to SAAB 340/2000, Fokker 50 and possibly DHC-8-100.
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Rather funny watching you all have a whinge.
Perth ops North and also to Adelaide with Fokker F100's and B717's. The thinner routes are ops by Rex
ps long live the DC-9 Neo.....
Perth ops North and also to Adelaide with Fokker F100's and B717's. The thinner routes are ops by Rex
ps long live the DC-9 Neo.....
