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Old 21st Oct 2018, 20:59
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Yes, an existing aircraft will stay longer. They should never have let OJT go.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 21:24
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I think they are under the pump. The network guru Myers has gone, the training section is on an austerity drive, me thinks things aren’t travelling as well as they would like everyone to think.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 22:05
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Marcus Aurelius (Roman Emperor and stoic philosopher) said:

‘If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek truth, which never yet hurt anybody.
It is only persistance in self delusion and ignorance that does harm.’
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 23:13
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Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket
Marcus Aurelius (Roman Emperor and stoic philosopher) said:

‘If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek truth, which never yet hurt anybody.
It is only persistance in self delusion and ignorance that does harm.’
If it is true that Mr Meyer has exited the business, this is potentially another dissenting view that has been dismissed.
Mr Buchanan after securing the 788 from QF mainline passionately explained that the Long Haul Low Fare model was unsustainable.
He was sent on gardening leave shortly thereafter.

Fort Fumble is devoid of any differing opinion.
Despite Tino's best efforts, the ever increasing fuel price exposes them for what they are; One Trick ponies.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 23:13
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Yes, an existing aircraft will stay longer. They should never have let OJT go.
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So, what about all the work going on in the desert?? No comment??
Maybe OJT is one of them??
I don't know if it is, or exactly how many are on the way back, it is more than one.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Rated De
As has been repeated in the thread, Qantas need a new fleet..

With this dynamic duo (Messrs Clifford and Joyce ) at the wheel, Qantas has sped headlong into peak hour traffic with their steely gaze fixed firmly in the rear view mirror (Apologies to the Hon PJ Keating)

Qantas need a new fleet.
Off to the Wood shed Leigh.
I've already asked you this but you didn't reply.
Please define new fleet and the routes they will work.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 23:38
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I know nothing about the 747s in the desert, OJT has gone, sold I believe. I believe Myers told them spending $600 million on the 380 refurbishment with fuel at the current price was a waste of money and would be better spent on more 787s.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 23:38
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Originally Posted by dragon man
I think they are under the pump. The network guru Myers has gone, the training section is on an austerity drive, me thinks things aren’t travelling as well as they would like everyone to think.
Not just Training section. Apparently everyone is on an austerity drive. “Another transformation type purge” were the exact words I heard used.

There are no doubt some areas that could do with some trimming. I’d start with the list of names that attended basket weaving in the street a few weeks back ( that’s not a euphemism folks, that actually happened as part of NAIDOC week) or those that took time out to do yoga during ‘safety and welbeing week’ (funnily enough I didn’t see that offered to front line staff between aircraft transits or dealing with our customers). Where they can cut in flight training or Flight Ops though has got me stuffed. Already people in those departments are under significant work stress and doing big hours to get the job done.
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Originally Posted by Blitzkrieger
Wombat...I think you’ll find no one hates Qantas at all. Most people I know have had to endure a decade or more of pointless corporate rape of what used to be one for worlds great airlines. Absolutely none of what has been done at QF was necessary to keep the company doors open, it was all done to line the pockets of an elite few.

if you’re happy to stand by while the company is allowed to decay, perhaps it is you who should head overseas.
But there is little difference between the rape of Qantas and the rape of other Australian greats (and New Zealand greats for that matter)
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The tide is going out, fuel price is rising. Oil traders have positioned accordingly. 4 November may see the term structure indicate more contango; QF fuel expense rises.

With Mr Clifford off to fairy land, just in the nick of time, rather like Rio Tinto. Tom wasn't so lucky.

A fuel inefficient fleet and petrol prices at the pump down edging towards $2.00 a litre, Little Napoleon needs another distraction.
It might be 'transformation purge' it, it may even be industrial, but the simply fact is Qantas needed a new fleet a decade ago.

Mr Joyce can spend his remaining time virtue signalling the entire dying print media, but the facts speak for themselves..
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 02:33
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Everyone can voice their concerns but the reality is, the new chairman, the board, the media.......don't give a s%$T.
No one appears capable to take a clinical look at the numbers nor see the trainwreck approaching, that whoever the next CEO is, will inherit.
Bring on the next happy clappers meeting in the street!
Did someone mention engagement? What a fine set of numbers for a case study.
The future will get very ugly and people will lose their livelihoods.
That's the legacy.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 02:40
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
I've already asked you this but you didn't reply.
Please define new fleet and the routes they will work.
With the exception of possibly a South American route (although LAN are doing it in a 789) and perhaps to South Africa, all the other routes currently flown, can NOW be flown by the big twins.
Pick one? All the airlines flying the Pacific did, whether it be a B777 or a B789, "the World's most enlightened airline management' chose to ignore this, instead getting lucky with a low fuel price. The fuel included CASK on any route is lower with a big twin. Lower fuel expense would cushion earnings volatility.
As was evident in FY15, $597 million of the 'turn around profit' was reduced fuel expense as fuel prices fell.
Axiomatically, the reverse is true: the impact is much more a problem for QF with their fleet metrics than the competitors as Operating expense rise disproportionately on a rising fuel price.


This is the genesis of the ICCT article in January 2018.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-...-study/9333616

If it is true as Keg alluded to that the there is yet another 'efficiency drive' then again Fort Fumble is a dollar short and a day late.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 02:56
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Add on the massive savings coming to them when all the longhaul legacy aircraft have gone to be replaced by pilots on the B scale 787 rates. Within ten years I would suggest it will be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 03:08
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Rumour doing the rounds that QF will be all twin in the next 5 years. I don’t understand how that’s possible with the capital expenditure limits, but that’s the latest rumour. I guess somewhere between 5 and 10 would be accurate.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 03:42
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Rumour doing the rounds that QF will be all twin in the next 5 years. I don’t understand how that’s possible
I do. How about one massive fleet (Australia's largest?) of 14 Dreamchangers and code share the rest. I wouldn't put anything past them. They've taught me _anything_ is possible, even if it is totally self destructive and makes no sense to anyone not personally benefiting from the idea.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 05:05
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If Evert Meyer goes, then it’s not a good sign at all.

He is the only person in the whole show who has any original ideas on routes/aircraft and the know-how to make it happen.

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 05:11
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Evert Meyer has definitely left or was thrown off the ivory tower. Another opposing voice to the yammerganda gone.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 05:33
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Evert Meyer has definitely left or was thrown off the ivory tower. Another opposing voice to the yammerganda gone.
Had his ID taken from him and shown the door.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 05:35
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Evert Meyer has definitely left or was thrown off the ivory tower. Another opposing voice to the yammerganda gone.
Unbelievable! Any ideas where to? If a competitor wanted to cut Qf’s lunch...
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 05:44
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I believe planning for the replacement of the 737s and A330 were also not well received.
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