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Old 18th Jun 2018, 09:59
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Good show. Well done, Bones and crew.
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Direct link: https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...f52ff4387cf98b
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Shouldn't have let you have a rest Pete . Good work crew .
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Of course, technical design of Airbus is that one never has direct control of the airplane. At best its either manual (with that silly sidestick), or through the autopilot(s), both electronic inputs, there is NO direct control available to the pilot.
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I'd have thought that was the case with any of the later FBW aircraft, irrespective of the size of their joysticks.
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Great job by the crew, but I’m confused by this sentence in the article:

Using a military manoeuvre from his time in the navy, which was his best chance at recovering the aircraft if it pitched down again, a skilled Mr Sullivan successfully landed the plane at Learmonth airport.
I’ve read the ATSB report, they make no mention of any “military manoeuvre” performed that would have increased the chances of survival. From my understanding if the aircraft’s computer logic malfunctioned and suddenly caused it to have another pitch down event at that stage of flight there probably wasn’t anything the crew could’ve done to stop it. Are the press suggesting that if there had been wholly civilian trained pilots in the flight deck the chances of survival would have been decreased? I’ve seen that line of thinking being pushed a bit in the media lately, with regards to the Southwest Airlines uncontained engine failure incident especially.
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must be a slow news day, news.com.au dragging up a 10 year old incident!
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The Air Crash Investigation TV show just did an episode on the flight. That’s why it’s back in the news.
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"...including simultaneous warnings the plane was in stall and overspeed at the same time — an impossibility..."

hmmmmm
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Hmmmmmm, I thought the same, maybe we should go back to flight school.
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Using a military manoeuvre from his time in the navy, which was his best chance at recovering the aircraft if it pitched down again, a skilled Mr Sullivan successfully landed the plane at Learmonth airport.
So repeatedly pulling back on the stick until the aircraft responds is something only the the US Navy teaches?
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There's your problem right there. Did he touch something?
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Great job by the crew, but I’m confused by this sentence in the article:



I’ve read the ATSB report, they make no mention of any “military manoeuvre” performed that would have increased the chances of survival. From my understanding if the aircraft’s computer logic malfunctioned and suddenly caused it to have another pitch down event at that stage of flight there probably wasn’t anything the crew could’ve done to stop it. Are the press suggesting that if there had been wholly civilian trained pilots in the flight deck the chances of survival would have been decreased? I’ve seen that line of thinking being pushed a bit in the media lately, with regards to the Southwest Airlines uncontained engine failure incident especially.
Are you worried he didn't have enough 210 and wet season time?
Anyway his watch doesn't look nearly big enough to be a true ex knuckle head.
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Captain Sullivan saved an aircraft 300 souls and the corporate future of both Qantas and Airbus
His career was ended by PTSD as a direct result of this event.His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history
https://www.thetvdb.com/series/mayday/episodes/6686077


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Old 21st Jun 2018, 03:44
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His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history.


Agreed.
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Agreed.
..and just like Sonic in Japan....etc etc.
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Hope it all works out for you Kev.
Enjoyed working with you.
Who’s inherited the “ Sh!t Magnet “ title at Qantas now that you’ve moved on ?
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Old 21st Jun 2018, 04:11
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..and just like Sonic in Japan....etc etc.
That was even more of a blot...

Kev had a near miss with that one. He'd flown the aircraft to Japan.
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Originally Posted by captainrats
Captain Sullivan saved an aircraft 300 souls and the corporate future of both Qantas and Airbus
His career was ended by PTSB Aas a direct result of this event.His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history
Captainrats,
PTSB A --?? I am not aware of this as other than an Irish bank.
I thought the Captain reached normal retirement with Qantas, that was the impression I got from an article published after he retired??
He certainly did a damned good job.
Tootle pip!!
PS: The B747-400 was prone to simultaneous high and low speed warnings, and a completely cocked up ADI speed display, but that was always a damaged AoA vane mechanical damage. The sights and sounds certainly added to the entertainment during takeoff and initial climb, where, in this case, it always became evident. Unlike Airbus, there was no effect on manual control. At least in the Boeing democracy, the pilot still has 51% of the votes.
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